• Welcome back to Pokécharms! We've recently launched a new site and upgraded forums, so there may be a few teething issues as everything settles in. Please see our Relaunch FAQs for more information.

Super Smash Bros.: Greninja and Charizard Join the Fray.

StellarWind Elsydeon

StellarWind Elsydeon

Armblades Ascendant
Staff member
Administrator
illust-modal.jpg​
A Nintendo Direct presentation held yesterday officially revealed two new Pokémon characters joining the Super Smash Bros. roster of challengers, taking their place alongside already-announced Pikachu and Lucario - alongside a myriad of other new facts about the upcoming Super Smash Bros. games for the 3DS/Wii U. For those facts related to Pokémon, read on.

[prebreak][/prebreak]

Smash-Charizard.png​
Surprising exactly no one, Charizard makes a return - this time as a stand-alone character rather than part of the Pokémon Trainer three-in-one pack. Appropriately, it seems to have a slightly more elaborate move pool.

Smash-Greninja.png​
The Big Favoritism Fire Lizard is joined by newcomer Disco Ninja Frog Greninja, which appears to utilize Water Shuriken and Substitute alongside a wide variety of blatantly stereotypical ninja moves, complete with the silhouetted-against-moonlight-many-cut-mayhem maneuver as what appears to be its Final Smash.

ML.png MCX.png​
Mega Evolution makes an in-game appearance (with Mega Lucario and Mega Charizard X confirmed), though the mechanic by which this evolution is implemented is yet unknown.

Arceus, Meowth, Electrode, Eevee, Staryu, Metagross, Fennekin, Meloetta, Gogoat, Entei, Deoxys, Palkia, Kyurem, Victini, Keldeo and Xerneas have all been confirmed as Poké Ball-summoned Pokémon, with some summoned via a new type of Poké Ball item, the Master Ball, which only calls upon Legendary Pokémon.

Lastly, the Wii U version (at least) appears to have a battle stage based upon the Kalos Pokémon league - and the 3DS-exclusive Smash Run mode appears to feature Chandelure as one of its minor enemies.

The official reveal trailer, as published on the official Nintendo YouTube channel, may be watched here:
​
 
Last edited:
Dinova

Dinova

I believe that during the Nintendo Direct, Sakurai said that Mega Lucario would be Lucario's new final smash? That said, it would make sense if Mega Charizard X would be Charizard's final smash. Especially considering that it no longer has access to Triple Finish as it's final smash.
 
Burgundy

Burgundy

Formerly SuperSableye24
He never directly stated that the Mega Evolutions are Final Smashes. Though they likely are. I can't think of what they would be otherwise.
 
StellarWind Elsydeon

StellarWind Elsydeon

Armblades Ascendant
Staff member
Administrator
I'm assuming Final Smashes as well - particularly seeing how character 'transformations' seem to have been abolished whatsoever - ZSS and Shiek, for example, are now their own stand-alone characters as opposed to transformations of Samus and Zelda (which makes me wonder what they'll do with THEIR final smashes).
 
Sy Kage

Sy Kage

I just realized something. I find it strange that both my starters in Y (Greninja and Charizard) get their spot in SSB. I feel watched.
 
Awoken

Awoken

Formerly Jason59707
@Trainer_Ethan_ there is a very high chance they'll do it because Greninja is the last thing I expected them too add. Maybe Chesnaught and Delphox will get in on it too, but honestly, what are the chances.
I would love to see Volcarona make an appearance. Wether it would be a character or a Pokéball I don't know, but probably a Pokéball.
I also had a great idea for what they could do with Charizard. Since Charizard has two Megas, he could mega evolve into one of them depending on the game version you have. If you had Wii-U version, it would be X, and if it were 3DS, it would be Y.
 
Carmen Lopez

Carmen Lopez

While I'm sure not everything has been confirmed, I'm pretty sure Charizard, Greninja, Lucario, and Pikachu are going to it as far as Pokemon fighters which is plenty for me.

And if Mega Lucario is Lucario's final smash I'm either going to be happy or really disappointed. In the thirty minute video it showed that Mega Lucario has regular Lucario's aura moves at full strength no matter how much damage it's taken. This could mean that Mega Lucario acts like Bowser's or Wario's final smashes where the current moveset just gets buffed, which I'm not as happy with, but oh well. For some reason I've never been a fan of those type of Final Smashes.
 
Burgundy

Burgundy

Formerly SuperSableye24
Jigglypuff will also be in. Just cause she's one of the original 12. Even though Cap. Falcon, Ness, and Jiggly haven't been revealed, they wouldn't cut the originals. :l
 
Pang yu wei

Pang yu wei

Hmm... Maybe there like a special way to mega evolve the Pokemon. Like if you use location for example then a special item will appear which allows into mega evolve him. Maybe there also like a special requirement like getting 15 hits in a row or something like that. As for greninja I feel it's unfair for only having greninja and not the others. Same for Charizard.
 
Burgundy

Burgundy

Formerly SuperSableye24
Pang yu wei said:
Hmm... Maybe there like a special way to mega evolve the Pokemon. Like if you use location for example then a special item will appear which allows into mega evolve him. Maybe there also like a special requirement like getting 15 hits in a row or something like that. As for greninja I feel it's unfair for only having greninja and not the others. Same for Charizard.
Click to expand...
No, these are most definitely Final Smashes. Getting a special item or 15 hits in a row would happen WAAAAY too often. It would also force a ban on Lucario and Charizard for competitive players if it wasn't a Final Smash. :8B:
 
Secad MS

Secad MS

Well, I'm pleased. Greninja was the final evolution of the starter I picked, and I often play Lucario when I play Brawl, so I will be very happy to play as both in the next game.
 
crax686

crax686

I am very excited for this game. I hope they bring back Mewtwo and Mew, they forgot to re-add them in Brawl. If Jigglypuff IS confirmed, they better make him better. And the Megas most definitely are their final smashes.

Zelda and Sheik have ungonfirmed final smashes now because of their split-up, and ZSS is unconfirmed. Samus will most likely have the same final smash without the transformation, but this is unconfirmed. If this were true, than Samus would be most likely banned from competitive play. ZSS's final smash is low range, transforming back to Samus, but she has a far range blast in normal mode.

All of the split-ups are concealing mysteries...
 
Teapot

Teapot

Virtual Duck Enthusiast
Staff member
Administrator
@crax686 You really do need to watch the Nintendo Direct properly and do some basic research, half your assumptions already have answers.

crax686 said:
I hope they bring back Mewtwo and Mew, they forgot to re-add them in Brawl.
Click to expand...
They didn't "forget", you don't just suddenly have a six-month lapse of memory during the design process for a game :p Firstly, Mew was never playable and thus never removed - it still appears in Pokéballs. Mewtwo was removed because Lucario was basically a clone of it with a better mechanic. As you know, Smash Bros tries to avoid very closely-related characters these days.

crax686 said:
And the Megas most definitely are their final smashes.
Click to expand...
Pure assumption. You cannot say they're "definitely" anything; nothing has been confirmed. It's quite likely you're right and the Pokémon do Mega Evolve as part of their Final Smashes, but then they might have a new mechanic.

crax686 said:
Samus will most likely have the same final smash without the transformation, but this is unconfirmed. If this were true, than Samus would be most likely banned from competitive play.
Click to expand...
She does, it's actually highlighted in the Direct to make a point. I sincerely doubt she'll be banned from competitive play, not least because they'll have nerfed her N00b Beam Final Smash to make up for the (very much wrongly-perceived) impression that she's crippled after using it being gone. Plus, they never banned Meta Knight for his stupid B or Pit for his HYAYAYAYAYAYAAAAA attack, why would they ban over a move you might maybe see once a game?

ZSS will have a new Final Smash, given that she doesn't magically reclaim her suit anymore.
 
Burgundy

Burgundy

Formerly SuperSableye24
Iain108 said:
Well... That`s four looks like no more Pokemon are joining the fray.
Click to expand...
That doesn't necessarily mean that there won't be more. Remember, the Mario series already has 5 characters, and in Brawl, there were 6 Pokémon. I highly doubt Sakurai would cut any of the original 12, since they have been in every game since, which is why I think Jigglypuff will be the last Pokémon.
Honestly I don't care at all about Mewtwo.
 
Valin

Valin

Aurora Beam said:
I hope Roy comes back as a fighter, maybe with his Project M moveset . . . that final smash tho . . .
Click to expand...
Questionable. Roy's inclusion in Melee, from Japan's perspective, was basically an advertisement for Fire Emblem: The Binding Blade, which came out around the same time, and was the first Fire Emblem after a three year hiatus. Compared to Marth, who was the first main character in the series and starred in the most games, and Ike, who starred in the most games seen overseas, Roy is a fairly minor figure in the series as a whole.

On the other hand, though, due to being one of the first Fire Emblem characters known to the west, that might include him in the new Smash, so who knows? However, I think it's more likely a character from Awakening (most recent game, and probably has the most worldwide acclaim) will be included as a playable character (maybe the Avatar. It seems a lot of characters have movesets that reference the various games they are in, and the Avatar could be any class in Awakening, so...), but hey, I could be wrong.

Anyway, on the subject on Greninja, even though it's highly likely, I'm hoping its Shiny form will be available as a pallet swap, because I like black Greninja.

Also, even though this might just be wishful thinking, I'm wondering if the player's Mii will be a playable character (wouldn't be the first time, considering Mario Tennis), because I'd love a character you could fully customize the appearance of...
 
The Voltagonist

The Voltagonist

Honestly, I was pretty disappointed when I originally saw these two make it to the roster. However, when I did see what they're moves were and how they fought, my spirits did slightly lift. However, I'm still hoping that Mewtwo does make his comeback in this game, someway, somehow.

Overall, though, I'd say these characters make a fine addition to the Super Smash Brothers fighter list.
 
Awoken

Awoken

Formerly Jason59707
I was thinking of some of the possible Greninja color swaps we could get, and found a few possibilities.
greninja_ssb4_recolors_by_shadowgarion-d7duhga.png
 
Top