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oof i missed a bit here since ive been watching the nintendo treehouse

ANYWAYS even though Atty + Guzma are experience, im taking this more as a "slice of life adventure" than a straight up Badge Quest. there might be a few rematches here and there, and Atty might challenge the leaders she hasnt yet (Sean, Colress, Roxie, Marlon), but otherwise they're primarily scouting around Unova apartment hunting :u

also: I'm totally fine with Atty and Guzma being familiar with past characters. I think the only one they haven't met yet is Poito.
 
Nice grammar XD

But my self-insert is practically a new trainer. CrazyCoolKid's Avon is, I think. Top_Smug_'s April Haw is a new trainer.

And Pyros and Poito are there for my character, and my character isn't too strong. Sean's a Gym Leader, and I'm assuming some trainers who are starting out or have come to Unova to travel are starting over at least. Like C65's Luke.
Yes. Avon is a new trainer
 
yep my bad, i was more referring to Ninian and Pichu's characters since we all RP so much together.

as for everyone else, to my knowledge, Atty isn't familiar with. Although she might recognize Parker from Almia, she's not on frienship level like with Pyros, for example. i pretty much consider that B2W2 rp an AU as well, so now that I've dropped out from it it's easy to retcon whatever happened in there.
 
To answer the question about what Pokemon we can find on the routes, We'll just take locations from BW and B2W2 and smoosh them all into one. XD

Now, as for getting any kind of starter, besides the one you get from Professor Juniper, I will be doing a special list for all starters. A special thing happened in Unova that caused some starter Pokemon to escape and breed in the wild, making them invasive species in a way, but they only stay in a special location in one of the areas. It is exceptionally rare to find them, and even more so finding that special spot, since the group of starter Pokemon moves around every couple of days. One day, a group of Snivy and Servine with a Serperior can be found on the west side of Pinwheel Forest. The next couple of days, they'll be on the east side. They'll be in special groves, just like what you see in B2W2, but specifically for those kinds of Pokemon. They also won't take too kindly to people coming in since they weren't bred to be docile and easy to train, so you'll have one hell of a fight on your hands to nab a starter and leave. It'll be like a horde battle. There will always be three of the starters and two of their first-evolved forms in this horde encounter. If you knock out all of them, the leader, the fully evolved starter, will attack you. If you capture one of them, the fully evolved form will try to drive you out of the area.

Also, starters can't share the same location, except for Pinwheel and Lostlorn Forest because there are several sections.

I'll edit the list here for all to see when I'm done:
3 Bulbasaur, 2 Ivysaur, and 1 Venusaur:
  • Route 16; groves are in in the trees.
3 Charmander, 2 Charmeleon, and 1 Charizard:
  • Twist Mountain; numerous areas. XD
3 Squirtle, 2 Wartortle, and 1 Blastoise:
  • Route 13; the little islands and rocs in the ocean.
3 Chikorita, 2 Bayleef, and 1 Meganium:
  • Route 4; in the trees.
3 Cyndaquil, 2 Quilava, and 1 Typhlosion:
  • Route 7; grove is hidden in the treeline in the really tall grass.
3 Totodile, 2 Croconaw, and 1 Feraligatr:
  • Route 3; There are three spots that you have to surf to reach.
3 Treecko, 2 Grovyle, and 1 Sceptile:
  • Lostlorn Forest; In the area around the bridge and waterfall.
3 Torchic, 2 Combusken, and 1 Blaziken:
  • Reversal Mountain; in the cliffside, they'll be training in differing cavernous rooms.
3 Mudkip, 2 Marshtomp, and 1 Swampert:
  • Route 8; they disappear in winter, but they live in the treeline near the puddles.
3 Turtwig, 2 Grotle, and 1 Torterra:
  • Pinwheel Forest; several spots on top right corner of the forest.
3 Chimchar, 2 Monferno, and 1 Infernape:
  • Pinwheel forest; several spots on bottom left corner of the forest.
3 Piplup, 2 Prinplup, and 1 Empoleon:
  • Route 21; Grove appears around the big island on Route 21 or on other rocks protruding from the sea.
3 Snivy, 2 Servine, and 1 Serperior:
  • Lostlorn Forest; in the clearing somewhere where you find that travel van.
3 Tepig, 2 Pignite, and 1 Emboar:
  • Desert Resort Entrance; along the walls and stuff.
3 Oshawott, 2 Dewott, and 1 Samurott:
  • Route 6; groves can be found in the treeline around the river.
3 Chespin, 2 Quilladin, and 1 Chesnaught:
  • Route 11; there's a small opening in one of the walls that leads up to the tall, steep hills where they reside.
3 Fennekin, 2 Braixen, and 1 Delphox:
  • Route 12; in the treeline.
3 Froakie, 2 Frogadier, and 1 Greninja:
  • Lostlorn Forest; above the waterfall.
3 Rowlet, 2 Dartrix, and 1 Decidueye:
  • Pinwheel Forest; several spots on top left corner of the forest.
3 Litten, 2 Torracat, and 1 Incineroar:
  • Route 9; somewhere in the treeline.
3 Popplio, 2 Brionne, and 1 Primarina:
  • Route 18; in a special sea cove where you can access by finding the entrance on a wall.
 

What Did You Do To Snoke?

Previously Ratbag the Coward
Hello there!

Name: 'Zero'
Age: Noone knows. People guess he is in his late 40s or 50s
Gender: Male
Eye Color: Not Known/guessed to be blue
Hair Color: A blueish, whitish colour
Height: ?
Hometown: Icirrus City
Region: Unova
Special Items: If I need approval, then N/A
Trainer Type: Ice type Specialist, Mysterious Pokemon Trainer
Badges: He seems to have all of the gym badges currently. Gym leaders do know of him. He seems to have lots of copies of the Iccirus Gym badge.
Appearance: Wears a white and dark blue round mask, with a blue bandanna underneath. Wears a blue and light blue cloak/gown. His hair has been tied into a kind of ponytail at the back.
Personality: Mysterious, unusual, quiet, calm, can be cold to those he hates, suspicious of others, untrusting of them
History: He is an extremely interesting and mysterious character, as noone knows who he is. He has claimed to be from Icirrus City, but he has told noone of his real backstory. In his 'city,' the houses vastly expanded with him watching over. He is a skilled ice type specialist who protects his friends from Team Plasma. Those who do not live in Icirrus City falsely accuse him of being one of the shadow triad and he is villified elsewhere. He aims to prove to people he is a hero. He also secretly seeks revenge for the demotion of his role as gym leader, as it will be revealed later on that he is actually Brycen.
Pokémon Team:

Cryogonal
Beartic
Vanilluxe
Weavile
 
@Glûk the Bard

Oh, just so you know the reason Brycen wasn't included in the Gym line up is actually because he quit being a Gym Leader to become Brycen Man—an actor. So he basically just didn't have time to be a Gym Leader anymore.

It's mentioned here.

In Pokémon Black 2 and White 2, Brycen is no longer a Gym Leader in Unova, having retired to continue acting. However, he appears in the Pokémon World Tournament as a participant along with other Gym Leaders. He also takes part in Pokéstar Studios movies as Brycen-Man (Japanese: ハチクマン Hachiku-man), a villain in Brycen-Man Series, and Mecha Cop (Japanese: メカポリス MechaPolice) in Full Metal Cop Series.
 
This is an interesting headcanon, but with NPCs and major characters like Brycen, we follow their history in B2W2 and BW and any other games, if applicable. If Brycen quit to be an actor, he quit to be an actor, not because he was demoted for whatever reason.

Like I said, interesting headcanon, but this character also has some kind of a dystopian feel to it, something that doesn't suit well with our setting, since it is anything but dystopian.

If you want to be a major or minor canon character, I would advise following their lore and character and their history before trying to put your headcanonical twist into things.

You can either make this an OC and just take out Brycen, make a completely new OC, or try to follow the lore and history and character of a canon character and don't try to fight the games and/or anime's version of the character. You can add your headcanon after there is no more history of the character after a certain point and can do just about what you want, just as long as it befits their personality.
 

What Did You Do To Snoke?

Previously Ratbag the Coward
@Glûk the Bard

Oh, just so you know the reason Brycen wasn't included in the Gym line up is actually because he quit being a Gym Leader to become Brycen Man—an actor. So he basically just didn't have time to be a Gym Leader anymore.

It's mentioned here.
I know that. But this is several years even after BW2, isn't it? So anything could have happened after that. Plus, it's no good just having Iccirus City unused. I see a lot of potential in Brycen that noone else sees.
This is an interesting headcanon, but with NPCs and major characters like Brycen, we follow their history in B2W2 and BW and any other games, if applicable. If Brycen quit to be an actor, he quit to be an actor, not because he was demoted for whatever reason.

Like I said, interesting headcanon, but this character also has some kind of a dystopian feel to it, something that doesn't suit well with our setting, since it is anything but dystopian.

If you want to be a major or minor canon character, I would advise following their lore and character and their history before trying to put your headcanonical twist into things.

You can either make this an OC and just take out Brycen, make a completely new OC, or try to follow the lore and history and character of a canon character and don't try to fight the games and/or anime's version of the character. You can add your headcanon after there is no more history of the character after a certain point and can do just about what you want, just as long as it befits their personality.
I really don't understand your fussyness over this. This is two or three years after BW2, so he would have continued as an actor, which is what I said, didnt I?
 
Honestly my issue lies in the “He was kicked out and wants revenge.” He wasn’t kicked out, he quit to do what he really loves; acting. He didn’t actually want to be a Pokémon trainer. He only did it because of his injury, but now that he’s healed he’s following his passion. At the base, that is Brycen’s motivation, and your interpretation basically goes against all of that. I just can’t reconcile head canons that literally contradict source material. I have no problem with people playing canons as long as they stick to what has been provided by the games, and then embellish a little on top of that to make the character more fleshed out.
 
I really don't understand your fussyness over this. This is two or three years after BW2, so he would have continued as an actor, which is what I said, didnt I?

He is an extremely interesting and mysterious character, as noone knows who he is. He has claimed to be from Icirrus City, but he has told noone of his real backstory. In his 'city,' the houses vastly expanded with him watching over. He is a skilled ice type specialist who protects his friends from Team Plasma. Those who do not live in Icirrus City falsely accuse him of being one of the shadow triad and he is villified elsewhere. He aims to prove to people he is a hero. He also secretly seeks revenge for the demotion of his role as gym leader, as it will be revealed later on that he is actually Brycen.

There is no mention of the guy being an actor, so we have no idea if he's still an actor, but because we have to assume... Wouldn't his accusations from other people cause him to have problems acting if the people he is making the movie or TV shows with are unwilling to work with him? He won't be able to keep his acting career at this point.

Plus, his motivation to continue acting from his injury is this: "He later decided to return to acting following the downfall of Team Plasma's first incarnation, hoping to communicate the need for a bond between Pokemon and people with his films" (Bulbapedia) and even more from the games when you use the Memory Link that Brycen wanted to help people, who were conflicted by Team Plasma's ideology for Pokemon liberation.

Plus, he wasn't demoted, he quit because his injury (which he got from an accident on an action movie set) was healed and he can then go forward on his acting career. The only reason he became a Gym Leader was because he had took the advice from Alder to become a trainer, and he eventually became the Gym Leader of Icirrus City. The only thing you actually captured from this character was that he was mysterious and protected people from Team Plasma and hid who he actually was (because he put such an importance on concealing his identity).

Since it was odd that he was able to see through the Shadow Triad's invisibility in the games, it could lead to some speculation of him being a part of it, but it could've also been from his training. But he has fought against the Shadow Triad numerous times in BW, so people would regard him more as a hero and as an active member of keeping Team Plasma and the Shadow Triad at bay. They would see him as a hero, especially when he's super popular and I won't be surprised if he has paparazzi and tabloids after him. This would make "villified" opinions of him from other people seem a little far-fetched. While opinions from others can range from a variety of things, having villified opinions of a person when they were regarded as a hero beforehand and media in the Pokemon world like to capitalize on their justice they have wrought from back then (I see it all the time in the real world XD) would seem... Ehh... Probably a small handful people would think he's villainous, but not a whole ton, which it seems you are implying that there are a lot of people who think that.

While I don't have a problem with headcanons personally (since I do have a lot and I love seeing other people's differing headcanons), if the headcanon contradicts the source material and if it will cause problems for the character themselves for a job they TRULY love, then the headcanon would just need to be tweaked, or not be used. Sorry, but being a person who plays a canon character myself, and my two friends who have been playing canon characters for awhile, we know what we are doing and know that there are some things you shouldn't cross, like contradicting with source material and portraying them as something completely different from their personality and motivations. Another contradiction would be if Brycen was regarded as a hero for helping to stop Team Plasma and the Shadow Triad, why would he be villified? I know it's been a few years, but there are just some inconsistencies in your headcanon that contradict the source material. I actually do like your headcanon, but I don't think this would fly in our RP, especially when it contradicts a lot of everything.

It's been three years, so quite a few things can happen, but... I don't see this headcanon being accepted.
 
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What Did You Do To Snoke?

Previously Ratbag the Coward
There is no mention of the guy being an actor, so we have no idea if he's still an actor, but because we have to assume... Wouldn't his accusations from other people cause him to have problems acting if the people he is making the movie or TV shows with are unwilling to work with him? He won't be able to keep his acting career at this point.

Plus, his motivation to continue acting from his injury is this: "He later decided to return to acting following the downfall of Team Plasma's first incarnation, hoping to communicate the need for a bond between Pokemon and people with his films" (Bulbapedia) and even more from the games when you use the Memory Link that Brycen wanted to help people, who were conflicted by Team Plasma's ideology for Pokemon liberation.

Plus, he wasn't demoted, he quit because his injury (which he got from an accident on an action movie set) was healed and he can then go forward on his acting career. The only reason he became a Gym Leader was because he had took the advice from Alder to become a trainer, and he eventually became the Gym Leader of Icirrus City. The only thing you actually captured from this character was that he was mysterious and protected people from Team Plasma and hid who he actually was (because he put such an importance on concealing his identity).

Since it was odd that he was able to see through the Shadow Triad's invisibility in the games, it could lead to some speculation of him being a part of it, but it could've also been from his training. But he has fought against the Shadow Triad numerous times in BW, so people would regard him more as a hero and as an active member of keeping Team Plasma and the Shadow Triad at bay. They would see him as a hero, especially when he's super popular and I won't be surprised if he has paparazzi and tabloids after him. This would make "villified" opinions of him from other people seem a little far-fetched. While opinions from others can range from a variety of things, having villified opinions of a person when they were regarded as a hero beforehand and media in the Pokemon world like to capitalize on their justice they have wrought from back then (I see it all the time in the real world XD) would seem... Ehh... Probably a small handful people would think he's villainous, but not a whole ton, which it seems you are implying that there are a lot of people who think that.

While I don't have a problem with headcanons personally (since I do have a lot and I love seeing other people's differing headcanons), if the headcanon contradicts the source material and if it will cause problems for the character themselves for a job they TRULY love, then the headcanon would just need to be tweaked, or not be used. Sorry, but being a person who plays a canon character myself, and my two friends who have been playing canon characters for awhile, we know what we are doing and know that there are some things you shouldn't cross, like contradicting with source material and portraying them as something completely different from their personality and motivations. Another contradiction would be if Brycen was regarded as a hero for helping to stop Team Plasma and the Shadow Triad, why would he be villified? I know it's been a few years, but there are just some inconsistencies in your headcanon that contradict the source material. I actually do like your headcanon, but I don't think this would fly in our RP, especially when it contradicts a lot of everything.

It's been three years, so quite a few things can happen, but... I don't see this headcanon being accepted.
I honestly don't understand. This is a few years after black and white 2. This only needs to accomodate what has been in the games. I havent read every single thing up about Brycen, but you can assume that it's all in there...why wouldnt it be? If I dont mention it there that he is still an actor, i say it now. By the word 'demoted,' i just mean to say that he left being gym leader. Ignore the stuff that you think doesn't make sense. I speak in a different tongue. There's no need to write paragraphs and paragraphs about it.
 
But it is important that you do portray a canon character that it shows in the games and ONLY applying headcanon afterwards and when it makes absolute sense. I'm not going to ignore it because it isn't logical or reasonable to. Why would I if his situation makes it literally impossible for him to act without destroying his career?

You said he seeks revenge for being demoted. If he quit himself, why would he seek revenge?

And I will write paragraphs and paragraphs about it because I have to see if you are going to fight with a reasonable response and actually try to make your headcanon work with logic. Besides, my response was clear and concise. I don't see how you don't understand.

If you want to play a canon character, I would expect you to know the canon character very well by reading up on the character.

Besides, it is my job, along with vaultie's and Ninian's, to accept characters. This is literally my job.
 
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What Did You Do To Snoke?

Previously Ratbag the Coward
Let me break down the one paragraph i literally wrote about him to prove to you i'm not insane.


He is an extremely interesting and mysterious character, as noone knows who he is. He has claimed to be from Icirrus City, but he has told noone of his real backstory. In his 'city,' the houses vastly expanded with him watching over.
This is all stuff that happened during those three years. This should be fine. I don't give much detail here.

He is a skilled ice type specialist who protects his friends from Team Plasma.
We already know this about Brycen.

Those who do not live in Icirrus City falsely accuse him of being one of the shadow triad and he is villified elsewhere.
This is stuff that has happened in the three years. The Shadow Triad are canon and I am presuming they are in this rp. You haven't told us anything about them.

He aims to prove to people he is a hero.
One thing I noticed about his biggest role in black and white was how he does not deal with plasma head on and that he confronts them once or twice and that's it. Compared with, say, Clay or Burgh, he is a quiet man.

He also secretly seeks revenge for the demotion of his role as gym leader, as it will be revealed later on that he is actually Brycen.
I do see what you are annoyed about, but I could easily just remove these 14 words that triggered you. At the time I wrote this, I meant 'left as gym leader.' I am autistic, so some phrases I will use actually mean something else. It's not like there's some Pokegod that appoints and removes gym leaders anyway. By 'revenge,' I meant, like, not an angry revenge, just like a comeback phase after a period in the wilderness, eager to give his impact. But of course, he's been gone as an actor, so people think he's gone to Pokestar Studios. Meanwhile, i'm explaining in these 3 years that he is doing his bit to fight Plasma, but give the impression that he is a new powerful hero. I do sympathise with him: playing through the Unova games again, I very much feel like he could be the champion, if his gym is closed and Iris is still the champion with her all dragon type team. But as i've said, you can pretend I didnt use those words. I can just remove them.
Also, the use of the term 'headcanon' confuses me.
 
to clear things up: a "headcanon" is basically the word for any idea or a statement about a character that isn't directly stated in-game, whether or not the person creating the headcanon has actual canon information to go off of.

example: I headcanon Guzma to have a sweet tooth. while it's never said and stated in game, i based it off of the fact he likes tapu cocoa.
 
My problem wasn't the entire history. You didn't say if he was an actor, so I had assume that, if he was, he'd be villified and would cause his acting career to be over because no one would want to act or do the movie with him.

I only said that Brycen was revered as a hero for stopping the Shadow Triad and Team Plasma because he's a Gym Leader and a popular actor, so he would have the media from both avenues from being a Gym Leader and an actor cover him and say "he's a hero".

Pretty sure the Shadow Triad is a thing, but, like how I said about the media, pretty sure people wouldn't think he's of the Shadow Triad. Maybe a few people, but not a whole crowd.

Question is: Why would he quit acting?
 
Why would he quit acting if that was his motivation to help people get over the effects of Team Plasma and his dream? And what is this "elsewhere" you speak of? That could literally mean any place in Unova and any of the other regions.

The only problem I have about the history was that the words used made it sound the complete opposite of what you had meant. I didn't know you had autism, so sorry if I was nitpicking at your character, but your word choice did confuse me and think that this Brycen was a completely different Brycen in the personality department.

And I don't know what Ninian has in store for the Shadow Triad. I'm assuming they are hidden and nothing has been heard from them except for them freeing Ghetsis and being his personal bodyguards.
 
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What Did You Do To Snoke?

Previously Ratbag the Coward
My problem wasn't the entire history. You didn't say if he was an actor, so I had assume that, if he was, he'd be villified and would cause his acting career to be over because no one would want to act or do the movie with him.

I only said that Brycen was revered as a hero for stopping the Shadow Triad and Team Plasma because he's a Gym Leader and a popular actor, so he would have the media from both avenues from being a Gym Leader and an actor cover him and say "he's a hero".

Pretty sure the Shadow Triad is a thing, but, like how I said about the media, pretty sure people wouldn't think he's of the Shadow Triad. Maybe a few people, but not a whole crowd.

Question is: Why would he quit acting?
Did I say that he quit acting? I mean, if there was a new Unova game set 3 years after BW2 and you'd told me he did in that game, i'd believe you. Maybe he just didn't like the job. If I said he quit acting and that is a problem, you can ignore that, i can say he didnt. Rereading what i put in the history section of the form, I didnt mention that anywhere. He can go as his alter ego and be an actor. He is fairly old already and by three years, he'd be starting to think you know, am I really going to be here in Pokestar Studios forever? I don't think anyone wants to be stuck in the same job for years and years. I see great potential in the man now he does not have the responsibility of gym leader. He's known for training for long periods in the mountains, you know. The reason I said his alter ego could remind people of a shadow triad member is because both him and the shadow triad do have similar sort of appearances and in his alter ego constume he would especially. And they give off the vibe of some ninja or martial artist. I imagine him in my head, appearing behind a crowd of people being controlled by Team Plasma, the way the Shadow Triad just appear from invisibility cloaks.

And what is this "elsewhere" you speak of? That could literally mean any place in Unova and any of the other regions.
I've read the paragraph over and over again several times and I can't find that word. I'm normally known for seeing one tiny detail others cant see so there must be something...wrong...with...I don't know.
 

What Did You Do To Snoke?

Previously Ratbag the Coward
Literally your response, which made me think he quit being an actor. What else would "been gone as an actor" mean?

And if it's a job you love, you'll stay until retirement. XD

So why would he quit acting?
I think what I meant by that is that Brycen does not stay at Pokestar Studios all the time. He pretends he is there all the time when in fact he is only there half of the time. I imagine he'd be doing less and less films as he got older plus they'd be new actors and actresses. I hope that helps clear that up.
And this is what I found on your character sheet. xD
I meant outside of Icirrus City he is vilified. In Icirrus City itself, both Brycen and the alter ego i've created 'Zero' is seen as a liberator/hero because of the locality of it. I believe that was in a different context.
 
Since Pokestar Studios is technically "elsewhere", he wouldn't have been able to do what he loves because people wouldn't want to act with him in the movies he's in.

And I get that some actors would do less and less films as times go on, but publication and acting is his "passion", he won't try and quit acting. Although, if he's exceptionally good at acting, why would he do less and less films? He won't be having trouble of people not hiring him because he's exceptional at acting. The only thing I can see would be if he denies acting in certain films, but what would those reasons be if he doesn't want to act in a particular film?

And he's never really gone by a different name besides Brycen. Yea, he keeps his person hidden, until it can't anymore. This alter ego confuses me. XD
 
Also, why would he dress up as the Shadow Triad or have a very similar design in his costume? That's asking for trouble. That's like dressing up as Ghetsis and you are a good person, then people question why you are dressed as a villain and why are you trying to mask your good self with a villain?

This idea just seems a little edgy. I hope you have a very good reason as to why he chooses to dress up as a Shadow Triad member and chose to go by a different name when he was shown to never have done that.
 
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What Did You Do To Snoke?

Previously Ratbag the Coward
What I would ask about Brycen, is why does he wear a mask and why does he wear a martial artist-like gown? On the sign to his gym, he's known simply as 'ice mask.' Why not simply go round without a mask, it's less trouble!

If you are really going to keep picking at this alter ego thing, I will get rid of it and just RP as 'regular' Brycen. Well, a Brycen that does go round helping people against Team Plasma. I doubt he wouldn't be interested. I will also post forms for other characters.
 
I guess I’m just more concerned you’re embellishing a canon character without putting thought behind it, which usually turns into a mess later. If you’re able to explain it? Great. If not I would prefer you stick to a more canonical Brycen interpretation or make an OC with the same idea (former Gym Leader, is against Plasma, etc.)

As far as why he wears a mask/martial arts clothing? That’s where headcanons come in. You could come up with an explanation. That’s the kind of thing I’m looking for in canon characters; explain them reasonably/interestingly. Don’t make up new things for them and attempt to hand wave it.
 
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