Private/Closed Naruto AU RP: discussion

[Godjacob]

We have a lot of wars planned don't we?

As far as the Civil War idea, technically all we need to spark that is some incident to happen while Tsunade is in charge to spark Danzo for a vote of no confidence to get some of the council on his side. Perhaps something involving Minato or a large incident tied to it.

But, hopefully not too soon. As quite frankly we have too many hypothetical war arcs in mind as it is and they all seem like they'll happen one on top of the other.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

We have a lot of wars planned don't we?

As far as the Civil War idea, technically all we need to spark that is some incident to happen while Tsunade is in charge to spark Danzo for a vote of no confidence to get some of the council on his side. Perhaps something involving Minato or a large incident tied to it.

But, hopefully not too soon. As quite frankly we have too many hypothetical war arcs in mind as it is and they all seem like they'll happen one on top of the other.

A shippuden idea most likely

 

[kyuukestu]

You said war on outsiders is enviable

Enviable?

Well, if you mean what I think you mean, then it'd be a forced involvement in the war. If it falls to all of war, then it's not unlikely for neutral parties to be pressured into joining one side or risk the wrath of both.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

Enviable?

Well, if you mean what I think you mean, then it'd be a forced involvement in the war. If it falls to all of war, then it's not unlikely for neutral parties to be pressured into joining one side or risk the wrath of both.

That's what I mean. Poor spelling and autocorrect on my end.

The Yuki would rather try to kill Mei than risk her going to war

 

[kyuukestu]

That's what I mean. Poor spelling and autocorrect on my end.

The Yuki would rather try to kill Mei than risk her going to war

So they'd set off a civil at within the Mist and then get forced to join the external war anyways?

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

So they'd set off a civil at within the Mist and then get forced to join the external war anyways?

Not quite how that works Kyuu. Mei would act out of fear for her people to avoid the war. Except no one would be stupid to attack the mist, as that would only immedtly make an enemy of the mist for that faction. There is nothing to be gained

 

[kyuukestu]

Not quite how that works Kyuu. Mei would act out of fear for her people to avoid the war. Except no one would be stupid to attack the mist, as that would only immedtly make an enemy of the mist for that faction. There is nothing to be gained

There's way too much to lose by letting the Mist be.

Its a matter of balance. If it's a drastic, all-out war neither side would allow the Mist to remain neutral because they're very aware that after they fight between each other, they'll be too weak to defend themselves from a Mist invasion, and considering the Reputation of the Bloody Mist they definitely won't believe any nonsense like 'we promise not to attack you while you're weakened.'

The Mist will either be forced to pick a side, or they'll straight up become the enemy of both sides at once, and they'll get eliminated before the two sides kick off their war.

 

[SageNeb]

There's way too much to lose by letting the Mist be.

Its a matter of balance. If it's a drastic, all-out war neither side would allow the Mist to remain neutral because they're very aware that after they fight between each other, they'll be too weak to defend themselves from a Mist invasion, and considering the Reputation of the Bloody Mist they definitely won't believe any nonsense like 'we promise not to attack you while you're weakened.'

The Mist will either be forced to pick a side, or they'll straight up become the enemy of both sides at once, and they'll get eliminated before the two sides kick off their war.

so the mist is joining the war. Now godjacob and kyuu just need to decide for kumo.

(ps this is only after konoha gets taken over by orochimaru which if villages dont care/aren't worried about i'm deeply concerned about their leader(s)'s mental state(s)

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

There's way too much to lose by letting the Mist be.

Its a matter of balance. If it's a drastic, all-out war neither side would allow the Mist to remain neutral because they're very aware that after they fight between each other, they'll be too weak to defend themselves from a Mist invasion, and considering the Reputation of the Bloody Mist they definitely won't believe any nonsense like 'we promise not to attack you while you're weakened.'

The Mist will either be forced to pick a side, or they'll straight up become the enemy of both sides at once, and they'll get eliminated before the two sides kick off their war.

And when that is attempted to happen, either Mei gets assasinated right off the bat, or a civil war begins in the mist. The Yuki wouldn’t allow this.

Also, who in their right minds would instigate the mist? Hm? It would only hurt those who try to enforce this policy

 

[SageNeb]

The thing about the civil war is that we kinda screwed up already. One of the key requirements for it to work was for Danzo to become Hokage... which was the original plan. The civil war wasn’t a simple arc. It was supposed to be built on behind the scenes. The invasion by Orochimaru, Danzo taking charge, Orochimaru having some spy turning the Uchiha against each other leading to their downfall and some other stuff like that.

I like how nobody really noticed this even though it's actually important

 

[Grand Master Koop]

When will the civil war arc be then?

 

[kyuukestu]

so the mist is joining the war. Now godjacob and kyuu just need to decide for kumo.

(ps this is only after konoha gets taken over by orochimaru which if villages dont care/aren't worried about i'm deeply concerned about their leader(s)'s mental state(s)

All the major villages would get forced to Join the war under the pressure of the other Villages.

The only way they could remain neutral is to team up and create a neutral faction with the strength to resist the pressure from the warring factions. But the wait factions would then be forced to return to neutral as well.

Basically all the Major military powers would be forced into the fight because the warring powers would be too afraid that the neutral powers would attack them after the war.

 

[SageNeb]

When will the civil war arc be then?

according to my book of the arcs of this rp *flips pages* after the uchiha masscare. of course that depends if everything goes as planned. and the uchiha massacre will be like 1 yr before shippuden

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

All the major villages would get forced to Join the war under the pressure of the other Villages.

The only way they could remain neutral is to team up and create a neutral faction with the strength to resist the pressure from the warring factions. But the wait factions would then be forced to return to neutral as well.

Basically all the Major military powers would be forced into the fight because the warring powers would be too afraid that the neutral powers would attack them after the war.

Most certainly not true. The mist is strong enough to where anyone who tried to get them involved by attacking them would be either instantly put down, or weakened to the point where they would lose their war. Tried to drag them in is going to be a loss for whoever instigated them. They know this. It would be a fool’s errand

 

[Retro Master]

according to my book of the arcs of this rp *flips pages* after the uchiha masscare. of course that depends if everything goes as planned. and the uchiha massacre will be like 1 yr before shippuden

Beginning of Shippuden would be better. Remember it’s planned by Danzo and Orochimaru as well.

 

[kyuukestu]

And when that is attempted to happen, either Mei gets assasinated right off the bat, or a civil war begins in the mist. The Yuki wouldn’t allow this.

Also, who in their right minds would instigate the mist? Hm? It would only hurt those who try to enforce this policy

Everyone in the warring nations would instigate the Mist lmao.


Why would I go to war with another person while knowing that even if I win, there's a third person waiting to destroy me while I'm weakened?

 

[SageNeb]

according to my book of the arcs of this rp *flips pages* after the uchiha masscare. of course that depends if everything goes as planned. and the uchiha massacre will be like 1 yr before shippuden

Currently after wave arc would be a list of solo arcs and world development and then uchiha massacre will happen because orochimaru planted a seed in one of the uchiha police force which spread and danzo and orochimaru forces join and kill most of the civilian/opposing members of the uchiha clan that aren't on team orochimaru, starting a civil war between danzo and the others of konoha like kakashi tsunade jiraiya etc

 

[SageNeb]

Beginning of Shippuden would be better. Remember it’s planned by Danzo and Orochimaru as well.

I was thinking maybe not so shippuden is not mostly civil war but rather fourth shinobi world war and akatsuki/jinchuriki arcs

 

[kyuukestu]

Most certainly not true. The mist is strong enough to where anyone who tried to get them involved by attacking them would be either instantly put down, or weakened to the point where they would lose their war. Tried to drag them in is going to be a loss for whoever instigated them. They know this. It would be a fool’s errand

That's why I told you the Mist would earn the Ire of both factions, and they'd either not go to war, or agree to team up and destroy the Mist first.

 

[Retro Master]

Currently after wave arc would be a list of solo arcs and world development and then uchiha massacre will happen because orochimaru planted a seed in one of the uchiha police force which spread and danzo and orochimaru forces join and kill most of the civilian/opposing members of the uchiha clan that aren't on team orochimaru, starting a civil war between danzo and the others of konoha like kakashi tsunade jiraiya etc

Why would the massacre of the Uchiha start the war? If Danzo was hokage I’d understand but the Uchiha aren’t really liked in general by the Leaf.

 

[SageNeb]

Why would the massacre of the Uchiha start the war? If Danzo was hokage I’d understand but the Uchiha aren’t really liked in general by the Leaf.

well that's why we should get danzo as a high regarded leader in the village

 

[Retro Master]

I was thinking maybe not so shippuden is not mostly civil war but rather fourth shinobi world war and akatsuki/jinchuriki arcs

Nah, if we do it correctly, the civil war will lead to the the world war. With all the nation’s weakened or distracted, then maybe the Akatsuki can make their play.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

Everyone in the warring nations would instigate the Mist lmao.


Why would I go to war with another person while knowing that even if I win, there's a third person waiting to destroy me while I'm weakened?

Except that’s not how that works. If the just came in afterwards, everyone would most likely band together temporarily to take them out. Besides, they can’t hold that much land

 

[SageNeb]

well that's why we should get danzo as a high regarded leader in the village

with preexisting tension with tsunade before the civil war. danzo would've become hokage when jiraiya was looking for tsunade "temporarily" but wanted to keep that power. however this didn't happen so ya'll gonna need to figure something out. or like i predicted months ago, this whole plan isn't ever gonna happen

 

[SageNeb]

Nah, if we do it correctly, the civil war will lead to the the world war. With all the nation’s weakened or distracted, then maybe the Akatsuki can make their play.

plan was civil war extended to beginning of shippuden when the good konoha guys were kicked out and lost the civil war, but reorganized themselves in the newly rebuilt uzushiogakure/land of whirlpools. then rain diplomat arc regarding orochimaru now being closely allied with the new leader of konoha danzo which took over using force and a war which would worry the nations they might be attacked, sorta like a kage summit

 

[kyuukestu]

Except that’s not how that works. If the just came in afterwards, everyone would most likely band together temporarily to take them out. Besides, they can’t hold that much land

It's not about land it's about removing the foe you know will destroy you after you're weakened.

The Mist's reputation in the past and the fact that they've already fought 3 world wars means that no nation would believe the Mist wouldn't destroy them in the aftermath.

They'll get rid of the Mist simply because if they don't the Mist will get rid of them afterward, and it'd be nigh-impossible to convince them otherwise.

 

[SageNeb]

Perhaps Mei was already worried during the konoha civil war and might've decided to help to have orochimaru no longer a problem, causing a civil war in the mist which ended like 3 arcs after civil war ends?

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

It's not about land it's about removing the foe you know will destroy you after you're weakened.

The Mist's reputation in the past and the fact that they've already fought 3 world wars means that no nation would believe the Mist wouldn't destroy them in the aftermath.

They'll get rid of the Mist simply because if they don't the Mist will get rid of them afterward, and it'd be nigh-impossible to convince them otherwise.

Perhaps Mei was already worried during the konoha civil war and might've decided to help to have orochimaru no longer a problem, causing a civil war in the mist which ended like 3 arcs after civil war ends?

Either way, it would never happen. Because the civil war in the mist would happen, so no one would try to interfere the civil war with the mist and they wouldn’t be overly powerful in comparison to anyone afterwards

 

[Retro Master]

@Nebulix All I know is that political tension should start developing in the Leaf soon, kind of like how Kyuu and Shen are doing with the Mist.

 

[kyuukestu]

Perhaps Mei was already worried during the konoha civil war and might've decided to help to have orochimaru no longer a problem, causing a civil war in the mist which ended like 3 arcs after civil war ends?

Doubt she would, she didn't really budge when the Akatsuki literally destroyed the Leaf, none of the Kage did.

The Kage were merely slightly concerned, they didn't get pushed to action until 'Madara' declared war on the entire ninja world.

 

[kyuukestu]

Either way, it would never happen. Because the civil war in the mist would happen, so no one would try to interfere the civil war with the mist and they wouldn’t be overly powerful in comparison to anyone afterwards

Besides, you don't really have anyone capable of assassinating Mei.

Mei would Win 1 vs 1 against all the Clan heads unless they have someone of Kisame's level with Samehada.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

Besides, you don't really have anyone capable of assassinating Mei.

Mei would Win 1 vs 1 against all the Clan heads unless they have someone of Kisame's level with Samehada.

Hmmm you talk as if it would be 1 vs 1. I don’t have that intention

 

[SageNeb]

Just giving ideas. If you guys say that you want to be secluded in all of Shippuden I don't control your characters.

 

[kyuukestu]

Hmmm you talk as if it would be 1 vs 1. I don’t have that intention

Ahaha~

A least you haven't gone completely insane.

 

[Retro Master]

Kai becoming Mizukage doesn’t seem impossible anymore...

 

[SageNeb]

Kai becoming Mizukage doesn’t seem impossible anymore...

*declares the mist village it's own planet and everything else non existent*

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

Ahaha~

A least you haven't gone completely insane.

You forget whom has the element of surprise as well as the village's Most talented ninja, and perhaps the hozuki. Not to mention half the councilors and many other esteemed ninja. If anything, a grand smite similar to the hü district would be minimum.

Kai becoming Mizukage doesn’t seem impossible anymore...

Kai: did you expect anything less?

*declares the mist village it's own planet and everything else non existent*

Kai: brilliance. 10/10 *eyes water and pure blood eagles screech*

 

[Retro Master]

with preexisting tension with tsunade before the civil war. danzo would've become hokage when jiraiya was looking for tsunade "temporarily" but wanted to keep that power. however this didn't happen so ya'll gonna need to figure something out. or like i predicted months ago, this whole plan isn't ever gonna happen

This is gonna be an extremely difficult task. If we don’t develop the tension, the civil war is just gonna fall flat. The civil war isn’t just an arc, it’s supposed to be the climax to everything that happened in the Leaf to that point. I also know some people are worried this will be rushed but for a slow build to work, Danzo should atleast be preparing something now, especially since he isn’t kage.

 

[kyuukestu]

You forget whom has the element of surprise as well as the village's Most talented ninja, and perhaps the hozuki. Not to mention half the councilors and many other esteemed ninja. If anything, a grand smite similar to the hü district would be minimum.

I honestly doubt you could hide a revolution of that scale from Mei.

Oh, I kinda...arrested some of the councilors for corruption?

And trust me, Mei will have a lot more power under the radar by that time.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

I honestly doubt you could hide a revolution of that scale from Mei.

Oh, I kinda...arrested some of the councilors for corruption?

And trust me, Mei will have a lot more power under the radar by that time.

And you act as if I haven’t cast the die for power moves before you even controlled Mei? I intend to win this war without incident. No matter who controls Mei or the other side