Funny Sans Rat
Previously The Bog Hog
Here you go, Phil from Flextale
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Frieza would crush Sans and Undertale, but I'll just stop the discussion here as we have veered past the original topic point XD
Funny Sans Rat
Previously The Bog Hog
Everybody shut up, I know how to solve this.
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Previously turnt3chGodh34d
no we haven't.
because this is the topic now.
Sans defeating Frieza.
due to karmic retribution and other abilities, Sans would crush Frieza.
obviously the battle would have to take a few episodes, DBZ style, with overly dramatic and lame cliffhangers, but in the end, Sans would come out on top.
i mean, sure, Frisk beat him, but in what's considered 'canon' timelines, that's after countless retries.
Frieza only gets one attempt, and karmic retribution will bring him down.
the more evil they are
the more it'll hurt.
add in my new element to Gaster Blasters in this rp, we've got floating skull heads that can fire out constant kamehameha waves, essentially.
even if Frieza could land an attack, Sans could always pull a tricky one, and perform an insta-kill on Frieza before dying of his own wounds.
This goes on the assumption that Karmic Retribution would kill Frieza. Ignoring his in-canon durability (Both to physical and attacks that his his "soul") and ignoring his incredibly strength/speed advantage and Sans shit durability. He wouldn't survive one hit from Frieza.
And again this is off topic to my original point XD
Mokko
Previously Blatant Mokery
Karmic Retribution is essentially magic that takes on the effect of poison, and the more ‘karma’ one has, the more potent the ‘poison’ would be. If you get poisoned with a poison potent enough, it doesn’t matter how durable you are.
You’re going to die.
Right, cause this was just full proof on Genocide Frisk/Chara.
And again this assumes he gets that off before Frieza blasts him.
Mokko
Previously Blatant Mokery
It worked on Genocide Frisk/Chara. I guarantee that very, VERY few people who played the genocide route defeated Sans on their first try. It’s a ridiculously hard battle, and chances are, you’ll only end up ‘winning’ because of savepoints and muscle memory.
Besides, Sans CAN teleport, so he could dodge attacks pretty easily.
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Previously turnt3chGodh34d
uh. yes. it completely destroyed Chara/Frisk.
they could only beat Sans through the power of resetting and learning his attacks.
besides, we all know Sans strikes first.
I don't think IRL number of tries it takes to defeat a video game boss equates to how many "times" it takes in-universe to beat them. That's like saying Whitney from Pokemon is god tier in-universe.
That applies to Undertale, not Frieza. Besides if this was such a sure thing it would not matter how many tries Chara/Frist got with it they should have lost to that technique every single time.
In any event this conversation is going nowhere. Even if it is true (Which I don't think it is but whatever) it's a very nich situation that doesn't apply to hypothetical battles like Erza vs. Caulifla or other "low tier vs. high tier" characters that lack a crippling exploitative weakness.
Funny Sans Rat
Previously The Bog Hog
Resetting in undertale is canon, not something that only happens when you die, sans remembers past timelines, HP, LV, ATK, they're all in-game ideas.
Mokko
Previously Blatant Mokery
Jacob, how strong and how many tries it takes to defeat a character in a game is a GREAT measure of how strong they are. Whitney isn’t God Tier just because her pokemon are OP for their level range.
Sans requiring multiple tries to beat is certainly a good representation of his strength and how difficult it would be to beat him in combat. That means that Frisk/Chara at their strongest possible power level struggle with him.
Sans requiring multiple tries to beat is certainly a good representation of his strength and how difficult it would be to beat him in combat. That means that Frisk/Chara at their strongest possible power level struggle with him.
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Previously turnt3chGodh34d
the whole point of Sans vs Frieza is to prove that a much lower tier character can beat a higher tier.
hence Ezra can beat Caulifla, given the situation.
Not the same situation. Erza doesn't have an "anti Saiyan armor" on hand to exploit a nich advantage like Sans in this hypothetical.
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Previously turnt3chGodh34d
Sans has no 'anti Saiyan armor'. Frieza isn't even a Saiyan, lol.
Sans is just the perfect counter to anything evil.
Mokko
Previously Blatant Mokery
This is true.
Sans’s eye flashes yellow for a reason...
That's literally my point. Except against Genocide Frisk/Chara who just need multi-tries to get around the perfect counter.
Most characters who are "lower tier" don't have that benefit. And given your description of Sans calling him lower tier is a bit misleading.
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Previously turnt3chGodh34d
well, Sans would be shit against Goku, or even Krillin for that matter. Sans doesn't fight well against morally good characters, so his ranking in the tier system is extremely loose.
Mokko
Previously Blatant Mokery
This isn’t about specific capabilities. Sans’s abilities differ from the rest of the cast, obviously, but the point is characters who are lower on the scale than others can very well be capable of defeating people higher on the scale.
I'm just saying this go to example is a nich situation. Not an example of a lower tier character being able to beat a higher tier one in usual circumstances. It's like applying me beating Superman with kryptonite to all other weaker fighters to different stronger fighters.
Mokko
Previously Blatant Mokery
An example can’t apply to every situation. That’s like using 2 + 2 = 4 as an example of addition, then expecting all addition equations to have a result of 4.
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Previously turnt3chGodh34d
well, you're not wrong. Sans is technically kryptonite to evil things.
so...
Sans could beat Zeliyis one on one, right?
as long as Zeliyis continues to be an evil character. if he turns out to be somehow innocent and has no sins, then Sans is feked.
My point was you can't use Sans (kryptonite) against Frieza (Superman) to say "hey low tiers can hang with higher tiers" when it is a hyper specific situation I am still not convinced would play up. But going on this hypothetical concession.
Yeah if this power is as powerful as you hype we shouldn't have a plot. All villains should just die instantly to Sans, no reason anyone else needs to be here XD
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Previously turnt3chGodh34d
Sans is the 'final boss' for a reason.
he won't fight until he has no choice.
i've already had him point out in the RP that he's already acted out of character for fighting already.
Which basically equates to "there's only drama because Sans doesn't care enough to do anything" kinda thing. It's a giant safety blanket that robs any tension or stakes to this plot IMO.
Mokko
Previously Blatant Mokery
Again, it’s an example of a lower tier character being able to counter a higher tier character, and a good example at that. All situations of a 1v1 between characters are gonna be unique- no two characters have identical capabilities.
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Previously turnt3chGodh34d
best girl was Spider-Gwen
best boy was a tie between Deku and Snake.
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Previously turnt3chGodh34d
read Mok's last post.
Mokko
Previously Blatant Mokery
Maxwell.
From Scribblenauts.
The majority of my last post in the roleplay focused on him.
Aw sorry. Been away from my computer and I have a terrible history of skimming other posts. Ask Shen he knows all about it.
And vs. Battle Wiki tends to be a "take it with a grain of salt" thing. For example Toffee (At his highest) from Star vs. the Forces of Evil and Jiren are given the same rank which as a Star vs. the Forces of Evil fan is simple absurd.
Alright, I'm going to throw my hat into the ring for that last debate.
I agree with Comic.
Having a lower tier character doesn't make them USELESS when compared to higher tier characters. In a series like Dragon Ball maybe, but that's because Dragon Ball is essentially a power flexing context.
For example?
JoJo's Bizarre Adventures - Part 2: Battle Tendency.
I talked about this earlier when I brought up the Pillar Men. The Pillar Men are STUPIDLY overpowered. Any Dragon Ball character we have would fall to them. Yet they were beaten by Joseph Joestar, even when Kars became the literal definition of the perfect lifeform.
That's because Joseph, while technically being a weaker fighter, is smart and used strategy (as well as a good old dose of Hamon, aka ripple energy) to kill them all. Aside from Perfect Kars, who he kind of just blasted into space.
Point is, with enough time, strategy and equipment, almost any character can beat almost any character. Could Cosmo defeat Goku? I'm not going to be that crazy. But given the situation and circumstances, I'd argue YANG could.
What matters most is the mentality of a character, in my eyes. Depending on how they think, their fighting style and weaknesses can change completely.
Also, about the Erza having trouble with Bershov... He's the boss and the one mechanized Soviet nearby
I agree with Comic.
Having a lower tier character doesn't make them USELESS when compared to higher tier characters. In a series like Dragon Ball maybe, but that's because Dragon Ball is essentially a power flexing context.
For example?
JoJo's Bizarre Adventures - Part 2: Battle Tendency.
I talked about this earlier when I brought up the Pillar Men. The Pillar Men are STUPIDLY overpowered. Any Dragon Ball character we have would fall to them. Yet they were beaten by Joseph Joestar, even when Kars became the literal definition of the perfect lifeform.
That's because Joseph, while technically being a weaker fighter, is smart and used strategy (as well as a good old dose of Hamon, aka ripple energy) to kill them all. Aside from Perfect Kars, who he kind of just blasted into space.
Point is, with enough time, strategy and equipment, almost any character can beat almost any character. Could Cosmo defeat Goku? I'm not going to be that crazy. But given the situation and circumstances, I'd argue YANG could.
What matters most is the mentality of a character, in my eyes. Depending on how they think, their fighting style and weaknesses can change completely.
Also, about the Erza having trouble with Bershov... He's the boss and the one mechanized Soviet nearby
Funny Sans Rat
Previously The Bog Hog
working on the SCP roleplay as well as the Christmas thread (Gotta get it up.)
Funny Sans Rat
Previously The Bog Hog
In the Harry Potter world where paintings and images can interact with those looking at them, waifu pillows are probably a lot more interesting....
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Previously turnt3chGodh34d
...wow. huh. that thought... never crossed my mind before, believe it or not.
ugh.
weird.
Funny Sans Rat
Previously The Bog Hog
I've been keeping quiet about this, but I really do NOT like Z, The fact that you said when we reach page 600 of the discussion thread is when he's leaving rubs me the wrong way, if that was a joke, then, I got wooooshed I guess, but Z is hogging the spotlight, I intended on having the dark generals be the main villains, and not only that, but Marseilles or whatever derailed the plot, but, it was for the best I guess, my plan was before we had 50 million characters, and would probably be over by now. Zeliyis being the greater scope villain is even worse, because by the time we reach page 600, we'll only have 2 before everybody starts complaining about the fact it's been going on for 3 years, and in those 2 I have to fit Zeliyis being a villain and his death, or I'll have to sweep him aside for Gaster, and have him absent, or a minor antagonist for the sequel. I don't even like him, and before you say 'he's meant to be hated', even if he was a noble warrior, I'd still hate him, because all he'll do is take the spotlight, at least I still have one trick up my sleeve, might as well reveal him now, Cthulhu, the great old one, I'm using him, for real, you can't shit on something that can drive you insane if you if you look at him.
Tl;dr: Z is an asshole who's stealing time from my main villain, and is gonna take 3 years to get rid of, so I'm using Cthulhu to put the other villains in their places, period.
Tl;dr: Z is an asshole who's stealing time from my main villain, and is gonna take 3 years to get rid of, so I'm using Cthulhu to put the other villains in their places, period.
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Gee, thanks a lot, Bog.
I can understand disliking my character, but saying "fuck your plot and all of your characters, I'm going to get rid of them all" is just flat-out a dick move.
If you're really going to do that, then fuck it. I'll just get rid of Z and Olympus entirely. They'll go do their own thing and never appear for the rest of the RP.
That's obviously what you want, right?
Gee, thanks a lot, Bog.
I can understand disliking my character, but saying "fuck your plot and all of your characters, I'm going to get rid of them all" is just flat-out a dick move.
If you're really going to do that, then fuck it. I'll just get rid of Z and Olympus entirely. They'll go do their own thing and never appear for the rest of the RP.
That's obviously what you want, right?
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