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Might be an unpopular opinion, but my favorite two for storytelling purposes are both Sonic adventure 2 and 06’
Eh... SA2 I can see, and '06 does have some good moments (Shadow and Silver's stories are freaking fantastic narratively), but Sonic's story - namely Elise - ruin the plot for me. Remove Elise and Sonic '06 works so much better narratively.
...but c'mon, Shen, the Gaia plot in Unleashed and the Merlina plot in Black Knight just... mm.
 

Shen: King of Digimon

Previously Shen: King of the Mist
Eh... SA2 I can see, and '06 does have some good moments (Shadow and Silver's stories are freaking fantastic narratively), but Sonic's story - namely Elise - ruin the plot for me. Remove Elise and Sonic '06 works so much better narratively.
Yeahhh I totally agree. I mainly play shadow and silver’s stories anyway. Mainly for my favorite sonic character mephiles 8) man he was awesome.

but c'mon, Shen, the Gaia plot in Unleashed and the Merlina plot in Black Knight just... mm.
Hmmm...Gaia was pretty good, albeit Chip, a flying fuzzball with wisecracks, being a god kinda was an odd twist XD

Merlina I have to admit I wasn’t expected, and i’ll give it to black knight, Live Life was the best sonic song I’ve ever heard
 
"Very well then. I shall call you... Knave the Hedgehog."
"I have no master, except the wind that runs free!"
"You have mastered the code of chivalry."
"I am immortal. You cannot defeat me!"
"A knight that has failed his king is unfit to live!"
"What good is a world that goes on forever?!"
"Fare thee well... Sonic the Hedgehog..."
"Welcome, Sir Knight!
"Why does a flower bloom, knowing it is destined to wither...?"
"A knight... never... flees a foe, right...?"
GOD.
I love Sonic and the Black Knight so damn much.

Yeahhh I totally agree. I mainly play shadow and silver’s stories anyway. Mainly for my favorite sonic character mephiles 8) man he was awesome.


Hmmm...Gaia was pretty good, albeit Chip, a flying fuzzball with wisecracks, being a god kinda was an odd twist XD

Merlina I have to admit I wasn’t expected, and i’ll give it to black knight, Live Life was the best sonic song I’ve ever heard
Mephiles was a good villain. Pity he got the shitty game treatment just like Infinite.
Yeah Chip being a god was an odd twist, but it works well. Especially in Flynn's version in post-SGW Archie. That's the first time I've cried at a comic book in my life...
Merlina is AWESOME. I love her as a character, which is why she's joining the Illuminati once the Typhoon gets online - I want her sticking around. Just wait until you see what she does in the Battle of Camelot!
 

Shen: King of Digimon

Previously Shen: King of the Mist
Mephiles was a good villain. Pity he got the shitty game treatment just like Infinite.
Well...at least he still holds the title for the first and last person to ever kill sonic


Yeah Chip being a god was an odd twist, but it works well. Especially in Flynn's version in post-SGW Archie. That's the first time I've cried at a comic book in my life...
Eh...for me it’s just like Daxter becoming god for no reason. It never resonated with me.

Merlina is AWESOME. I love her as a character, which is why she's joining the Illuminati once the Typhoon gets online - I want her sticking around. Just wait until you see what she does in the Battle of Camelot!
She at least brought up a good moral dillema. If you could prevent everyone from dying, would you take it?
 

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dear lord... I'm doing more math than necessary.
but not including Blazing Blaze means I don't need to bother calculating her power, which is immense.

also, for characters that could take down Olympus II, you forgot Bro. i've already established he's more powerful than current Goku in the story, and on par with King Sonic at his max power.
 

Mokko

Previously Blatant Mokery
Wait, there was a list of characters that could take down the Olympus II? I must have missed that...
 
By the way, @Shen: Ghost Gym Leader, there's a comment I found on an extension of With Me that I think you should take a look at. Original commenter is Heart2Heartnet24, btw.
This song is actually really tear-jearking.

No, I'm serious. Listen to this version and the Crush 40 version with the idea that the character singing their version of this song and all of a sudden there is a plethora of meaning behind practically every word of this song.

"Dark Queen" Merlina: Her version of the song is a faux condescending speech towards Sonic as he stands before her. She tries to convince herself, and by extension, Sonic that what she doing is ultimately good in the end, even if her plan involves defying the very thing that life and nature stands for. She understands that things will inevitably end and thoroughly believes that she can stand in the face of it and come out on top. Merlina doesn't want to accept the destiny of all things (which is that everything will come to an end, one day or another.) and she pretends to accept a wicked persona believing that if she is indeed evil, she will succeed. Sonic, however, still wishes to argue against her. Sonic, a person that she has immense respect for, stands in front of her as an embodiment of her conscious. He knows she's wrong, Merlina knows she's wrong, but she believes that she can go through with it anyway, which is how she ultimately clashes blades with Sonic. She dares the hero, Sonic, to try and stop her because if he can't, then 'supposedly' nothing else will be able too. There's also an obvious sense of regret in her "voice" during all of this. To her, Sonic is the hero that she cannot be. Her inability to be strong in the face of death (pretty much) is why she calls herself evil; It's her wicked deeds that the world will condemns and she wishes she was as strong as her hero, the one person she had hoped to understand. She essentially becomes wrong for all of the right reasons.

"Knight of the Wind" Sonic: His version of the song is a bit of the opposite of Merlina's. As he stands before, he realizes that her insecurities are born of common, everyday, fear. Something that he has come to terms with and accepted. In this scenario, Sonic still believes himself to be the villain. Why? Because he completely, COMPLETELY understands her motivation here. The pain of loss and the knowledge of the demise of everything you love is something that everyone experiences. And she seeks to END that suffering. Sonic is actively robbing the world of it's chance to be eternal. The villages he's saved, the people he's met in this world, this is him guaranteeing their expiration date. To him, Merlina is more of a hero because she is doing everything she can to bring about something that many would consider an ultimate good. If this is so, then he obviously wouldn't want to stop her, right? Wrong. He knows that her goal is insane, that her ideas are corrupted by fear. She's the one that needs to learn, and Sonic can only teach her by showing her why. Notice the way the song's being sung in this version; Crush 40's normally aggressively bad-ass tone is a lot more subdued and incredibly mournful. He doesn't want to do this because he knows the message is sad. "All things die. It sucks, but you can't stop it." Who in their right fucking mind would want to deliver such a depressing, almost disheartening message to anyone? That's why Sonic sees himself as the bad guy; He's going to bring about a suffering that, while is ultimately good, is also incredibly tragic.

tl;dr These songs compliment themselves really well if you listen to them in the context of the characters that would be in the scene at the time they play. Uncannily so, even. I almost wonder if that was intentional...
GOD.
I LOVE SONIC AND THE BLACK KNIGHT.
 
Wait, there was a list of characters that could take down the Olympus II? I must have missed that...
Moreso just characters that could do it through a full-out offense. Right now that list extends to Stormbreaker Thor, Kefla, Goku, Excalibur Sonic, Bro and Z himself. Our crew will be taking it down through a combined assault in the Battle of Olympus, though. And I do have plans. Kefla won't be able to appear due to a battle Caulifla has to handle, and she likely won't be willing to endanger Kale by fusing with her in Caulifla's... condition. Depending on if Dekiru agrees to have the same happen to Goku or not, Goku might have the same fight to fight. Excalibur Sonic will be busy dealing with King's Artifice, probably upgraded to the equivalent of Neo Metal Sonic in that fight which for now I'm calling Devil King's Artifice. Bro and Thor I still need to figure something out for, considering both of them will be on the outer assault team.
 
Oh and to add to this big wall of posts I'm making apparently... @Comic, just in case you haven't gotten around to it yet, here's a cutscene movie for Sonic and the Black Knight. I advise that... most people, actually, watch it, considering the cutscenes give you all you need to know about Black Knight, which is the same world as Alchemist's Curse (my continuation of Black Knight), which is the same world as Camelot, where a good portion of our heroes are now.
God.
I love Sonic and the Black Knight.
 

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I have finished entirely calculating speeds, durability, and striking strength.
once i get home, i'll post what i have, alongside a few examples of what i have with my characters.
alongside this, i'm going to be formulating a fresh new tier system based on VS Wiki but with some adjustments and whatnot.
I've been doing math all day, so I'm starting to feel mentally worn.

I'll be using the info I've collected, research I've gathered, and math I've conjured to place characters on the new tier list as strategically as i can.
 

Shen: King of Digimon

Previously Shen: King of the Mist
Oh and to add to this big wall of posts I'm making apparently... @Comic, just in case you haven't gotten around to it yet, here's a cutscene movie for Sonic and the Black Knight. I advise that... most people, actually, watch it, considering the cutscenes give you all you need to know about Black Knight, which is the same world as Alchemist's Curse (my continuation of Black Knight), which is the same world as Camelot, where a good portion of our heroes are now.
God.
I love Sonic and the Black Knight.

Ain’t that nostalgic? Ah I remember this game fondly...except when the controls would get wonky every other level
 
Yeahhhhhhhh as a gameplay experience Black Knight isn't the best Sonic game.
but hey neither are adventure 2 or 06
Black Knight shines in its style, characterization and storytelling, the three things I love most about any medium tbh. It's probably why Black Knight's in at least the top five for me.
 

Mokko

Previously Blatant Mokery
Actually, it'll probably get interrupted by the attack. Percival, Bro and Kiran will all be there to testify, though.
Unless Belowski breaks Noah out.
In which case shit hits the fan real quick.
...I am curious as to how those three would do.
Percival: He commited like, eight crimes.
Bro: Yeah, but he’s like, eight years old.
Noah: Hey!!
Kiran: Get this puppet away from me please
 
I think Lancelot cares more about his kingdom than some fight :p

...I am curious as to how those three would do.
Percival: He commited like, eight crimes.
Bro: Yeah, but he’s like, eight years old.
Noah: Hey!!
Kiran: Get this puppet away from me please
Agreed xD
What we get from the trial's going to be great. Especially because Sonic and Merlina are just going to be sitting there listening to all this while the judges make their ruling.
Then King's Artifice is going to crash through the roof and lead Sonic away.
 

Shen: King of Digimon

Previously Shen: King of the Mist
I think Lancelot cares more about his kingdom than some fight :p


Agreed xD
What we get from the trial's going to be great. Especially because Sonic and Merlina are just going to be sitting there listening to all this while the judges make their ruling.
Then King's Artifice is going to crash through the roof and lead Sonic away.

Belowski: Objection! I demand my client get a Burrito break!
 
Also y'all remember when Sir Gawain threatened to commit suicide because he lost a duel
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Shen: King of Digimon

Previously Shen: King of the Mist
I feel like Belowski would try to enter the trial as a lawyer but would get rejected so Bro steps up to defend him instead.
On that note, I'm totally making Percival the prosecution.


Ehhhh Noah might choose him because he’s from their same dimension, so might have more faith in him to know what he’s talking about. Regardless of his...erm...body language
 
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