Private/Closed Naruto AU RP: discussion

[Shen: King of Digimon]

We've not hellbent on protecting Kiro, but If you're gonna try to slaughter or citizens then we're gonna fight.

They won’t if you give back what’s rightfully theirs. That’s the entire point.

The fact that the Mist managed to get its hands on the Sharingan with the leaf none the wiser was already enough for them to send an assassin or something.

...so...it’s outrageous that they want their own ninja back, but it’s not when the leaf would try and assasinate their own ninjas? I’m noticing some bias here.

Well if Kiro realizes Fugaku is the leader of the Uchiha, then his mindset might change. Why go back to the Mist and be executed when he could instead sacrifice his pride and stay with the Uchiha?

Would still be counted as missing nin worthy in the Yuki’s book. And like said, going back to the mist willingly is not guarantee of execution. But the more you make Kiro look suspicious like running of will make that more likely

 

[Retro Master]

They won’t if you give back what’s rightfully theirs. That’s the entire point.


...so...it’s outrageous that they want their own ninja back, but it’s not when the leaf would try and assasinate their own ninjas? I’m noticing some bias here.



Would still be counted as missing nin worthy in the Yuki’s book. And like said, going back to the mist willingly is not guarantee of execution. But the more you make Kiro look suspicious like running of will make that more likely

The only reason it isn’t a guarantee is cuz I control Kiro. Basically if you don’t want Kiro to be executed, you have to create a double standard. If he was any other ninja that attempted to betray the Mist, they would be executed, no questions asked.

 

[kyuukestu]

They won’t if you give back what’s rightfully theirs. That’s the entire point.


...so...it’s outrageous that they want their own ninja back, but it’s not when the leaf would try and assasinate their own ninjas? I’m noticing some bias here.

Alright, let me put this in blunter words.

Kiro as a person and ninja means jack shit to the leaf. They wouldn't be hell-bent on protecting him to such a degree.

The Sharingan, on the other hand, is an entirely different story.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

The only reason it isn’t a guarantee is cuz I control Kiro. Basically if you don’t want Kiro to be executed, you have to create a double standard. If he was any other ninja that attempted to betray the Mist, they would be executed, no questions asked.

Actually it’s his Sharingan and the capability to be able to unlock it even further. Also the fact that he’s the only mist Uchiha, and mei’s ‘pet’

Alright, let me put this in blunter words.

Kiro as a person and ninja means jack shit to the leaf. They wouldn't be hell-bent on protecting him to such a degree.

The Sharingan, on the other hand, is an entirely different story.

Yes, and if they removed his eyes, they would count it as already mutilating a mist ninja, and they would aim for simply killing as many civilians as possible, probably with personal touches such as having all of their eyes gouged out or something along those lines. The leaf would have struck first

 

[kyuukestu]

Actually it’s his Sharingan and the capability to be able to unlock it even further. Also the fact that he’s the only mist Uchiha, and mei’s ‘pet’



Yes, and if they removed his eyes, they would count it as already mutilating a mist ninja, and they would aim for simply killing as many civilians as possible, probably with personal touches such as having all of their eyes gouged out or something along those lines. The leaf would have struck first

And we're back at square one.

The Mist wants their Ninja, and the Leaf doesn't want their Kekkei Genkei falling into the hands of an enemy nation.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

And we're back at square one.

The Mist wants their Ninja, and the Leaf doesn't want their Kekkei Genkei falling into the hands of an enemy nation.

If they won’t budge, the Yuki WILL give a bloodbath. @Godjacob will call a majority of what the leaf does, although any of you guy’s currently controlled leaf ninja can have input as well. Just know that the Yuki will not change their stance.

 

[Retro Master]

So Kai assaulting two innocent civilians is nothing?

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

So Kai assaulting two innocent civilians is nothing?

I never said it was not punishable. The Yuki will do something about this when it’s brought to their attention. But that wasn’t the issue at hand so it wasn’t worth addressing

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

woah someone that thought of not being a missing nin or executed

Those...weren’t the only options...

 

[SageNeb]

Would still be counted as missing nin worthy in the Yuki’s book. And like said, going back to the mist willingly is not guarantee of execution. But the more you make Kiro look suspicious like running of will make that more likely

which would potentially cause a war if they tried to kill him

 

[Retro Master]

I never said it was not punishable. The Yuki will do something about this when it’s brought to their attention. But that wasn’t the issue at hand so it wasn’t worth addressing

Leaf: Oh yeah, it’s alright. Kill a few more bystanders while you’re at it and then go back home.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

which would potentially cause a war if they tried to kill him

Killing a missing nin of the mist = war with foreign nation...come again?

 

[SageNeb]

I wonder what Orochimaru would say to all this. I mean, shen's basically saying that his best chance is play the innocent controlled part in the mist which isn't a guarantee or die to the mist

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

Leaf: Oh yeah, it’s alright. Kill a few more bystanders while you’re at it and then go back home.

Never killed a single bystander, nor was that his intentions, but as I said before, if the Yuki found out, there will be consequences

 

[SageNeb]

Killing a missing nin of the mist = war with foreign nation...come again?

If a Russian person originating with something important to the US, decided to pledge loyalty to US and went there, Russia marking them a traitor and killing them would be ridiculous and the US would probably be pissed that they did that under their new protection.

 

[SageNeb]

If a Russian person originating with something important to the US, decided to pledge loyalty to US and went there, Russia marking them a traitor and killing them would be ridiculous and the US would probably be pissed that they did that under their new protection.

In this situation, the importance of the "traitor" is much more significant actually.

 

[Retro Master]

Never killed a single bystander, nor was that his intentions, but as I said before, if the Yuki found out, there will be consequences

But there’s no consequences from the Leaf?!

 

[Retro Master]

Basically it would be alright for anyone to come into the Leaf, beat a few people up and then walk out. Is that the image they want to have for themselves? I would think it would be the opposite and they need to show that even after the invasion, they shouldn’t be messed with.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

But there’s no consequences from the Leaf?!

Gaara literally killed several chunnin of the leaf and the leaf didn’t bat an eye. It’s really not a big deal for them.

 

[Retro Master]

Gaara literally killed several chunnin of the leaf and the leaf didn’t bat an eye. It’s really not a big deal for them.

But when did he kill those chunin though? If it was during the invasion then that’s invalid. Simply put, it was already during war time so killing would be fair game.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

But when did he kill those chunin though? If it was during the invasion then that’s invalid. Simply put, it was already during war time so killing would be fair game.

He killed them walking up to participate in the final exam. Naruto and Shikamaru watched the whole thing

 

[Retro Master]

He killed them walking up to participate in the final exam. Naruto and Shikamaru watched the whole thing

They were grass ninja wanting revenge if that’s what you’re talking about.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

They were grass ninja wanting revenge if that’s what you’re talking about.

And the leaf anbu? Those were grass ninja wanting revenge?

 

[Retro Master]

And the leaf anbu? Those were grass ninja wanting revenge?

Leaf anbu? Alright, when was this?

 

[kyuukestu]

Oi, Oi, a soldier dying in combat with another soldier, and a soldier slaughtering civilians are two vastly different concepts.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

Oi, Oi, a soldier dying in combat with another soldier, and a soldier slaughtering civilians are two vastly different concepts.

Cold blooded murder is cold no matter the target. And the Yuki haven’t done so yet, the leaf is at fault here, no doubt about that, it’s just the Yuki will retaliate with something a hundred times worse

 

[SageNeb]

Cold blooded murder is cold no matter the target. And the Yuki haven’t done so yet, the leaf is at fault here, no doubt about that, it’s just the Yuki will retaliate with something a hundred times worse

Right, leaf is bad guy cuz kiro is stubborn lol

 

[Retro Master]

Another way you can look at this is that the Yuki are underestimating the Leaf because of the recent invasion. You can switch the Yuki with any other powerful clan or village and it would still look the same if you took it out of context. They believe they could get away with certain things cuz the Leaf seems weak. Like you can’t even fault them for thinking that way cuz any other village would probably be thinking the same thing. The Yuki are just acting on it which is kind of smart on their part.

 

[kyuukestu]

Cold blooded murder is cold no matter the target. And the Yuki haven’t done so yet, the leaf is at fault here, no doubt about that, it’s just the Yuki will retaliate with something a hundred times worse

The act itself is the same, be the reaction is not. The status of the victim is also important unless you're suggesting that if he harmed Kai at this very moment it would count as an equivalent exchange for the two victims he's harmed?

Even further, murdering someone in secret, and doing it before a massive crowd will also elicit very different reactions.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

Another way you can look at this is that the Yuki are underestimating the Leaf because of the recent invasion. You can switch the Yuki with any other powerful clan or village and it would still look the same if you took it out of context. They believe they could get away with certain things cuz the Leaf seems weak. Like you can’t even fault them for thinking that way cuz any other village would probably be thinking the same thing. The Yuki are just acting on it which is kind of smart on their part.

They would be doing this even if the invasion never happened in this same scenario. They are fighting for principle and nothing else. That can be dangerous. They are an unmovable force of will. And since the leaf IS weak it does play mroeninto their favor than it normally would

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

The act itself is the same, be the reaction is not. The status of the victim is also important unless you're suggesting that if he harmed Kai at this very moment it would count as an equivalent exchange for the two victims he's harmed?

Even further, murdering someone in secret, and doing it before a massive crowd will also elicit very different reactions.

I would have erased that part of the post if it caused this much uproar... it was more so passive comic relief

One is grandour of a display, the Yuki’s strongsuit.

 

[kyuukestu]

Another way you can look at this is that the Yuki are underestimating the Leaf because of the recent invasion. You can switch the Yuki with any other powerful clan or village and it would still look the same if you took it out of context. They believe they could get away with certain things cuz the Leaf seems weak. Like you can’t even fault them for thinking that way cuz any other village would probably be thinking the same thing. The Yuki are just acting on it which is kind of smart on their part.

Which was exactly my point earlier.

If we actually bowed to the Yuki here it would send a message that the leaf really is that weak, and the ramifications of that would be disastrous.

 

[Retro Master]

They would be doing this even if the invasion never happened in this same scenario. They are fighting for principle and nothing else. That can be dangerous. They are an unmovable force of will. And since the leaf IS weak it does play mroeninto their favor than it normally would

That’s the thing though. They are heavily underestimating the Leaf. Like if this turned into an all out battle. The Leaf would have the numbers to atleast prevent the Yuki from going further into the village. Other than the civilians at the festival, all the others in the village aren’t really in that much danger. The Yuki will only be slaughtering at most 2/10 of the village’s civilians before being killed off.

 

[kyuukestu]

I would have erased that part of the post if it caused this much uproar... it was more so passive comic relief

One is grandour of a display, the Yuki’s strongsuit.

The Yuki's grandeur is why we're facing off in the first place :T

 

[Retro Master]

Another thing to consider is that if the Yuki now backed down, their reputation will also go down. Everything they had said would be considered all talk, nothing to back up their words.

 

[SageNeb]

Another thing to consider is that if the Yuki now backed down, their reputation will also go down. Everything they had said would be considered all talk, nothing to back up their words.

lol who's side are you on

 

[Retro Master]

lol who's side are you on

I’m down with whatever makes for a good story. That’s why I’m fine with Kiro being executed in the Mist. Story wise, it would be the right thing to do. It would be literal plot armor if he went back and wasn’t executed.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

That’s the thing though. They are heavily underestimating the Leaf. Like if this turned into an all out battle. The Leaf would have the numbers to atleast prevent the Yuki from going further into the village. Other than the civilians at the festival, all the others in the village aren’t really in that much danger. The Yuki will only be slaughtering at most 2/10 of the village’s civilians before being killed off.

It’s a hit. And. Run. They aren’t sticking around. Just going to kill/take Kiro while ravaging all they go through in the process. I already have several contingencies and plans I have made for this.

Another thing to consider is that if the Yuki now backed down, their reputation will also go down. Everything they had said would be considered all talk, nothing to back up their words.

^this.

 

[kyuukestu]

lol who's side are you on

Lmfao, there are no sides. We're simply stating the reality of the situation from both sides.

From the Mist Pov Kiro should've never participated in the chūnin exams, or they should've tried harder to hide his Sharingan.

Walking into this one event and basically taunting the leaf with their own Kekkei genkei was bound to cause problems. This situation was just delayed because of Orochimaru's invasion, but it would've happened either way, we were all just too caught up in the moment earlier to have noticed this was a showdown waiting to happen.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

I’m down with whatever makes for a good story. That’s why I’m fine with Kiro being executed in the Mist. Story wise, it would be the right thing to do. It would be literal plot armor if he went back and wasn’t executed.

Errr no why does everyone think Kiro will immediately be executed coming back XD. I’ve already said how he couldn’t. But if you act like a missing nin, that increases your odds of death tenfold