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Private/Closed Naruto AU RP: discussion

First Exam:

  • Written exam

    Votes: 5 41.7%
  • ??? New exam

    Votes: 7 58.3%

  • Total voters
    12
  • Poll closed .

sSoul

Previously Swirled
Suien is a good boi now so I like him as character please stay good boi
Seiun: Oh thank you. I'll consider it, but if I go evil than that'd be sad.
Sure sure you say that but peeping— I mean “keeping an eye out” for female mist ninja is ok, no? ;)
Seiun: This is fine except for the fact that this implies that Kai has likely at least thought of peeping on Tsuki and I'm not sure I'm okay with thinking about that.
 

Shen: King of Digimon

Previously Shen: King of the Mist
Sagisō: *cough* your father *cough* Oh wait, are the Hu even considered half-breeds? Well, never mind that, let's not stir that hornet's nest.
Kai: no, for they are pure mist blood! Or were in any case.



Seiun: This is fine except for the fact that this implies that Kai has likely at least thought of peeping on Tsuki and I'm not sure I'm okay with thinking about that.
Kai: *peers at seiun* says the person who tried to kill her
 

Shen: King of Digimon

Previously Shen: King of the Mist
Seiun: *peers back at Kai* still less weird than trying to keep on a relative, unless you and Tsuki aren't related at all...still feels weird that you share a last name and would consider procreation.
Tsuki: can we change the subject....

Itachi was in love with an Uchiha, sooo its not weird because of very very distance relatives. Like a fourth half cousin twice removed or something
 
Kai: no, for they are pure mist blood! Or were in any case.
Mei: *grants Nadeshiko Kunoichi Mist citizenship*

Sagisō: *smug*
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Seiun: *peers back at Kai* still less weird than trying to keep on a relative, unless you and Tsuki aren't related at all...still feels weird that you share a last name and would consider procreation.
Tsuki: can we change the subject....

Hmmm, actually, considering that a clan starts from a handful of people, and these other factors;

  • most of the present clans were already established organizations with hundreds of members during the time of Hashirama (>60 ish years ago)
  • Birthrates are generally high as during this point in history having more children was a good thing (especially considering how many died due to war)
  • The combination of two clans was able to be considered a 'village'
  • Village populations range from several hundred to a few thousand by definition
    -Meaning that each clan would've needed at least a few hundred people.
  • ~+60 years worth of time to propagate their numbers
    -3 Ninja wars | 20 years between each
    -The decade or so between the end of the third Ninja war and the start of the series.
  • Polygamy wasn't very uncommon in ancient times
    -Monogamy was only enforced with the Advent of the Church, and more so in Europe than the Oriental nations
  • It was common for Chinese Emperors, in our case Daimyos, (thus to a lesser degree Clan Heads or leaders) to have Harems composed of, on the lower end several tens of women, and on the higher end several hundred women,
    -Empress
    -Imperial Consorts
    -Concubines

Using all this data we can assume that the size of clans should be, statistically, very big. I'd say their numbers should range in the high hundreds to low thousands.

Oh, this doesn't account for subsidiary or distantly related clans.

Example; the other clans that the Byakugan appears in, namely, the Kohinata Clan which is a distant relative of the Hyūga Clan, or the Otsusuki clan which stems from the Same ancestor as the Hyūga Clan.

Including those then 1 'complete' clan, could easily be around 3,000 members, possibly more.

Specifically speaking to noble clans;

Assuming the clans start off with about 300 members (during the time of Hashirama)

and only...half of them...get married, so 150 members married. And only a third of that number marries outside the clan, so 50 members.

Their spouses will likely marry into the clan because noble clans were generally the strongest in the area;
  • +50 members

Each couple has around 2 children (Low estimate but seems fairly common -Hinata, Madara, Kiba, Gaara, Sasuke, Asuma, Tsunade, Shino, etc. all had 1 or more other siblings.)

that's 200 kids (100 couples total | the 50 that married outside the clan, plus the remaining 100 who paired up with each other to make 50 other couples)

Means that in one generation (around 20 years), a clan would grow by about a bit over 200 members. (This number gets increasingly larger as time goes on though, but for the period we're talking about, which is only 3 generations, and the numbers we're starting with the increase is negligible.)

Three Ninja wars (3 generations) down the line and the clan would've grown by around 700 people. I'd say the initial 300 should've died of old age by now, and perhaps a few of the first set of kids, so clan numbers should've just barely doubled in these 60 years. So the clan would be at around 600 or so members.

Then do a pretty big low-ball and say it's because of extremely high death rates and I'd estimate a Noble Clan should have around 300~400 members.

Again, this doesn't account for subsidiary or distantly related clans, though their growth rates should've been slower than the main clan.
 
She's objectively one of the strongest OCs we have. I don't know the sound's specific mention but it is just the reality of it. Plus with you behind her she could beat anybody if you cared to.
She can't beat Reaver, she doesn't have the arsenal for it. In the sense that she can't kill Reaver faster than he can set up his mortar bomb.

And I still need to fight both Retro and Nebby, only after I beat them and Zander would've faced and beaten everyone at least once.

Either way, you're hyping me too much or underselling yourself.
 
@Shen: Ghost Gym Leader What are you planning to do about the seven swordsman. I’ve been going through the og convo to figure where we were supposed to go with the plot and saw the swordsman arc was also supposed to take place in the land of the waves. I kinda really need the Kiba blades for Kiro which is why I’m wondering lel
That's already in progress, Mei stated she was going to resurrect them. They might even have been resurrected over the time skip, but whenever we sort that out we'll see if Kiro can kill one of them.
 
She can't beat Reaver, she doesn't have the arsenal for it. In the sense that she can't kill Reaver faster than he can set up his mortar bomb.

Eh, if Azumi and Mori could find ways to get Reaver out of his armor Sagiso easily could herself.

And I still need to fight both Retro and Nebby, only after I beat them and Zander would've faced and beaten everyone at least once.

We'll see how this arc goes. Though I think all of Nebby's characters and Retro's character are fighting for Konoha with Sagiso here. So either Yasu needs to carry the slack or this won't happen. Though I do not see reason why you could not beat them. And Katsuo is the top OC among our core at the moment until proven otherwise.

Either way, you're hyping me too much or underselling yourself.

Nah, you are one of if not the best strategists in this RP. Certainly much better than me. And that is more powerful than any ninja ability.
 
That was before Shen improved the Spear of Lugh, it literally only takes 3 posts to nuke the battlefield now, so you'd be hard pressed to repeat those strategies.



On another note, I'm not gonna let Shen use me as cover anymore. Y'all are far too focused on what I've been doing without realizing Shen has at least 4 Triumph cards spread among his main OCs that none of you have even the slightest counters for ~w~

3 of them don't even have proper parameters.

At least I'm pretty open with my strategies, but Shen doesn't talk about any of his and you've been overlooking them because of how quiet he's staying.

He's gonna pull another new technique like Reaver's nuke and y'all gonna get caught off guard .3.

He's probably got another 3 techniques of that tier hidden and one which is still a work in progress. It's probably about half completed, and its only not completed because the OC hasn't had enough time.
 
That was before Shen improved the Spear of Lugh, it literally only takes 3 posts to nuke the battlefield now, so you'd be hard pressed to repeat those strategies.



On another note, I'm not gonna let Shen use me as cover anymore. Y'all are far too focused on what I've been doing without realizing Shen has at least 4 Triumph cards spread among his main OCs that none of you have even the slightest counters for ~w~

3 of them don't even have proper parameters.

At least I'm pretty open with my strategies, but Shen doesn't talk about any of his and you've been overlooking them because of how quiet he's staying.

He's gonna pull another new technique like Reaver's nuke and y'all gonna get caught off guard .3.

He's probably got another 3 techniques of that tier hidden and one which is still a work in progress. It's probably about half completed, and its only not completed because the OC hasn't had enough time.

I'm pretty damn sure I've complained about Shen's literal nukes in the past. Whether in convo or old discussion. It's the total opposite of balance and the fact he felt the need to upgrade it since the Tomiko fight is ridiculous to me.

Honestly because of that spear, both he and Baiyan look hilariously stronger than Azumi. The supposed leader of the group and distant third wheel. And yeah having a character with that kind of attack with upgrades is a problem to most of out cast. I had to jump through hoops and ladders just to have Tomiko survive a weaker Spear.
 

SageNeb

Previously 5DigitNeb
That was before Shen improved the Spear of Lugh, it literally only takes 3 posts to nuke the battlefield now, so you'd be hard pressed to repeat those strategies.



On another note, I'm not gonna let Shen use me as cover anymore. Y'all are far too focused on what I've been doing without realizing Shen has at least 4 Triumph cards spread among his main OCs that none of you have even the slightest counters for ~w~

3 of them don't even have proper parameters.

At least I'm pretty open with my strategies, but Shen doesn't talk about any of his and you've been overlooking them because of how quiet he's staying.

He's gonna pull another new technique like Reaver's nuke and y'all gonna get caught off guard .3.

He's probably got another 3 techniques of that tier hidden and one which is still a work in progress. It's probably about half completed, and its only not completed because the OC hasn't had enough time.
Yet I get made fun of for not wanting to fight the op people v:
 
I'm pretty damn sure I've complained about Shen's literal nukes in the past. Whether in convo or old discussion. It's the total opposite of balance and the fact he felt the need to upgrade it since the Tomiko fight is ridiculous to me.

Honestly because of that spear, both he and Baiyan look hilariously stronger than Azumi. The supposed leader of the group and distant third wheel. And yeah having a character with that kind of attack with upgrades is a problem to most of out cast. I had to jump through hoops and ladders just to have Tomiko survive a weaker Spear.
It's sheer ingenuity though, and you keep scaling everything in raw power which doesn't match up well. Reaver's attack potency is the highest of all our OCs by leagues, Baiyan doesn't come close because sheer firepower isn't her specialty.

Nevertheless, the spear is kinda a one hit wonder, and if you think about it for a while you'll see why. It's far too susceptible to interference.
 
Yet I get made fun of for not wanting to fight the op people v:

I feel your pain. Azumi is the most inbalanced of my cast, yet I feel there is a large gap between her and the other top tiers. Reaver's upgrade seemed to undermine the tie they had earlier rather quickly.

But even with her aside, Tomiko, Madoka, Sakura and Kenji I am scared to have fight....anyone of importance. Cause if they fight them only to lose again it only gives the impression their efforts to improve amounted to literally nothing. Especially Kenji & Tomiko. And with these OP monsters running around that is a very real possibility.
 
It's sheer ingenuity though, and you keep scaling everything in raw power which doesn't match up well.

Eh, I scale based on win/loss records and on field performance. Which I consider the most important factor in anything, and the fact is even with this mega ultra spear (That would have murdered all my cast...combined) Baiyan was able to defend against it and force a tie against Reaver.

So I have reason to presume that.
 

Shen: King of Digimon

Previously Shen: King of the Mist
@Shen: Ghost Gym Leader What are you planning to do about the seven swordsman. I’ve been going through the og convo to figure where we were supposed to go with the plot and saw the swordsman arc was also supposed to take place in the land of the waves. I kinda really need the Kiba blades for Kiro which is why I’m wondering lel
Actually, some will make an appearance in this arc. But as far as kiba is concerned, it’s stilk free, but in a heavily guarded museum I imagine.

That was before Shen improved the Spear of Lugh, it literally only takes 3 posts to nuke the battlefield now, so you'd be hard pressed to repeat those strategies.



On another note, I'm not gonna let Shen use me as cover anymore. Y'all are far too focused on what I've been doing without realizing Shen has at least 4 Triumph cards spread among his main OCs that none of you have even the slightest counters for ~w~

3 of them don't even have proper parameters.

At least I'm pretty open with my strategies, but Shen doesn't talk about any of his and you've been overlooking them because of how quiet he's staying.

He's gonna pull another new technique like Reaver's nuke and y'all gonna get caught off guard .3.

He's probably got another 3 techniques of that tier hidden and one which is still a work in progress. It's probably about half completed, and its only not completed because the OC hasn't had enough time.

The spear of Lugh X4 is not the usually move. Not only does it take reaver’s power out of commission, but it usually destroys his suit as a result. It won’t be his go to attack. Sure it’s strong yeah, but if it’s evaded/in an way countered, he is defeated. Very risky.

I feel your pain. Azumi is the most inbalanced of my cast, yet I feel there is a large gap between her and the other top tiers. Reaver's upgrade seemed to undermine the tie they had earlier rather quickly.

But even with her aside, Tomiko, Madoka, Sakura and Kenji I am scared to have fight....anyone of importance. Cause if they fight them only to lose again it only gives the impression their efforts to improve amounted to literally nothing. Especially Kenji & Tomiko. And with these OP monsters running around that is a very real possibility.
Well upgrade gone as the suit is obliterated.
 
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