Private/Closed Naruto AU RP: discussion

[Godjacob]

When your stare causes Hellfire to erupted then yea. It was a strike to the Heart. But What else is in the Chest? Both Lungs, Liver, Pancreas, Intestines, Esophagus... just about everywhere inside the Chest/Abdomen area lies a vital organ which once injured will lead to your death sooner or later.

My point is, the Gentle Fist directly attacks your internal organs, and kill-zones are all over the body, so if I set out to really go on a murderous rampage then the slightest of touches is extremely dangerous. Neji gave Hinata Heart damage, and he wasn't even trying to kill her.

I've simply never gone for murderous blows against other characters (except Kidomaru cause Shen was asking for it)

Just saying, this view of the Hyuga takes them to overpowered territory and the only reason anyone in our cast can survive against them is the whims of the user holding back. And I don't like that personally.

 

[kyuukestu]

Guess it's my turn to post, but before that, I need to ask a question, what is the logical extreme of FBS, the strongest it will get is in the spoiler below.

Spoiler: The strongest FBS

White FBS(can't remember the exact multiplier, someone help with that) plus Sage mode

i don't want to break the meta of this RP, and do I need your help to make sure that don't happen.

Well, in my analysis I'm not too sure if FBS and Sage Mode are super compatible. I haven't made any in-depth considerations, but you can't absorb nature energy while in motion. This problem is usually solved by attaching summons to your body who absorb energy for you. Not too sure how the same solution works together with FBS, but I kinda doubt the frogs will be able to match up to the sheer chakra consumption of FBS; White. (You'd said Taiyo could only keep it up for 5 minutes or something, right?)

However, Naruto by around mid-Shippuden could only throw Two(?) Rasen Shuriken before completely running out of Sage chakra.

Basically, you might find yourself with a sustainability problem.

 

[sSoul]

Basically, you might find yourself with a sustainability problem.

Thanks Kyuu, that might be something to look out for. Anyone else?

 

[SageNeb]

Guess it's my turn to post, but before that, I need to ask a question, what is the logical extreme of FBS, the strongest it will get is in the spoiler below.

Spoiler: The strongest FBS

White FBS(can't remember the exact multiplier, someone help with that) plus Sage mode

i don't want to break the meta of this RP, and do I need your help to make sure that don't happen.

ez counter:susanoo or 8 gates

 

[kyuukestu]

Just saying, this view of the Hyuga takes them to overpowered territory and the only reason anyone in our cast can survive against them is the whims of the user holding back. And I don't like that personally.

Yep, you're exactly right. However, 'this' view, is the view we've been going along with the whole time. I'm quite sure that I've mentioned the capabilities of the Gentle Fist before. But that's only if you get hit. Myself and Shen included are pretty lenient with how we handle 'kill-moves' and at 600 Discussion Pages and nearly a month in, I'd like to think we would've earned enough trust that this whole 'Sagisō's gonna one-shot everyone in RP', or 'Reaver's Nuke is an unstoppable beast of an attack', various quips like that, can remain solely as running gags to be used during the discussion because regardless of what our characters are theoretically capable of, we as RPers have enough sense about us to know our boundaries and not go on murderous rampages.

 

[SageNeb]

if shura gets into a fight, i can reintroduce my hyuga oc to help him.

 

[DarkHydraT]

Yep, you're exactly right. However, 'this' view, is the view we've been going along with the whole time. I'm quite sure that I've mentioned the capabilities of the Gentle Fist before. But that's only if you get hit. Myself and Shen included are pretty lenient with how we handle 'kill-moves' and at 600 Discussion Pages and nearly a month in, I'd like to think we would've earned enough trust that this whole 'Sagisō's gonna one-shot everyone in RP', or 'Reaver's Nuke is an unstoppable beast of an attack', various quips like that, can remain solely as running gags to be used during the discussion because regardless of what our characters are theoretically capable of, we as RPers have enough sense about us to know our boundaries and not go on murderous rampages.

Thank God for that, could you imagine if every character had their own mind? This would be one lawless and godless wasteland

 

[Godjacob]

Thanks Kyuu, that might be something to look out for. Anyone else?

I guess my question would be are FBS and Sage Mode compatible with each other? Like kyuu explained the mechanics seem to clash a bit and I am not sure if it would be a seamless union.

Feels more like just stacking two power ups on top of each other rather than working them with each other.

Yep, you're exactly right. However, 'this' view, is the view we've been going along with the whole time. I'm quite sure that I've mentioned the capabilities of the Gentle Fist before. But that's only if you get hit. Myself and Shen included are pretty lenient with how we handle 'kill-moves' and at 600 Discussion Pages and nearly a month in, I'd like to think we would've earned enough trust that this whole 'Sagisō's gonna one-shot everyone in RP', or 'Reaver's Nuke is an unstoppable beast of an attack', various quips like that, can remain solely as running gags to be used during the discussion because regardless of what our characters are theoretically capable of, we as RPers have enough sense about us to know our boundaries and not go on murderous rampages.

I think my point was less "you'll go murder mode and kill us all" and more "we only have a chance in Sagiso fights because you decide to have Sagiso hold back and play passive. Which cheapens any battle against her to a degree.

ez counter:susanoo or 8 gates

Naruto Ball Z: AU Edition

 

[SageNeb]

I think my point was less "you'll go murder mode and kill us all" and more "we only have a chance in Sagiso fights because you decide to have Sagiso hold back and play passive. Which cheapens any battle against her to a degree.

thats like saying if i didnt allow raiku to put a smokescreen, crow feathers everywhere, or a genjutsu to stab your heart while you can't see raiku, then i'm holding back

 

[Godjacob]

thats like saying if i didnt allow raiku to put a smokescreen, crow feathers everywhere, or a genjutsu to stab your heart while you can't see raiku, then i'm holding back

That requires far more effort than a Hyuga touch.

 

[Godjacob]

In any event, I must return to the abyss. I have one more RP draft to finish and a school paper due for finals to work on. Be back ASAP.....*Moonwalks to the shadows*

 

[sSoul]

Naruto Ball Z: AU Edition

This simultaneously killed me and gave me life.

I guess my question would be are FBS and Sage Mode compatible with each other? Like kyuu explained the mechanics seem to clash a bit and I am not sure if it would be a seamless union.

Feels more like just stacking two power ups on top of each other rather than working them with each other

I honestly don't have an answer, I'm not even entirely sure what nature energy does, and canonically, Taiyo would stack up two power ups thinking they work together even if they don't. As far as I know, natural energy is just something to be absorbed and combined with chakra, and FBS just takes chakra and redestributes it around the body to the chakra points for release. By extension, I thought that Sage Mode when properly combined with FBS would allow natural energy to also be violently released from chakra points.

 

[SageNeb]

That requires far more effort than a Hyuga touch.

but still barely any.

 

[kyuukestu]

I think my point was less "you'll go murder mode and kill us all" and more "we only have a chance in Sagiso fights because you decide to have Sagiso hold back and play passive. Which cheapens any battle against her to a degree.

Your point is solid, however, at the same time I don't think the intentional lack-of-lethality of her moves cheapens any fight. When you battle Sagisō, you're not going up against the Gentle Fist, you're going up against me as an RPer.

This goes for myself, Retro, Shen, Zander, and just about anyone who's been placed on a pedestal as a 'top-tier combat RPer'. You're not fighting the techniques of our characters, you're fighting against our ingenuity and combat instinct as RPers. For any of my main OCs who are supposed to be top-tier fighters, the joy of defeating them doesn't come from trumping over the Gentle Fist, if that's all you wanted to do then just wear armor like Yasu or Reaver.

If you want me to remove the instant lethality of the Gentle Fist, then that's perfectly fine with me. I've never had it hit anyone, those I even used it against I allowed to dodge without being hellbent on hitting them. Techniques are nice and all, but when you beat me, the satisfaction you get won't be I managed to trump the Gentle Fist, it'll be I managed to trump the Queen of Tactics.

 

[kyuukestu]

Seiun stretched his legs, not fully aware that the poison was slowed as well as his chakra points being sealed and promptly began to make a tactical retreat, although it really looked like a coward running for his life, the terms are basically interchangeable.

LMFAO!!!

No. '-'

I'll give you a chance to correct that, try that again and I'm dislocation all his limbs. Besides, Mild paralysis is a side-effect of blocked chakra points and stagnated blood flow. He can probably move, but not with anything near the level of speed and coordination he'll need to actually escape.

 

[SageNeb]

What chakra is Kai at?

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

What chakra is Kai at?

34%

 

[SageNeb]

Ahh ok I thought the pulverizing things to dust would need chakra

 

[kyuukestu]

What chakra is Kai at?

*flicks forehead*

You're too focused on that, focus on the battle, not your opponent's chakra capacity. You're gonna walk right into a trap without even knowing it.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

Ahh ok I thought the pulverizing things to dust would need chakra

None at all. The ice serpent cost 40% as a down payment for borderline free actions for whatever the ice serpent does.

*flicks forehead*

You're too focused on that, focus on the battle, not your opponent's chakra capacity. You're gonna walk right into a trap without even knowing it.

^ he’s right ya know

 

[SageNeb]

Who says I’m the one in a trap?

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

Who says I’m the one in a trap?

Hmmmm ice serpent says so

 

[SageNeb]

How thick is the ice serpent?

Edit: more specifically its back tail

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

How thick is the ice serpent?

Edit: more specifically its back tail

Ah interesting question. While the ice serpent proper is four feet thick standard per segment, it’s back tail starts four feet before slowly becoming three feet and then two feet near the very end.

 

[SageNeb]

It’s hard to describe what I was going for, but think of the rashomon. Imagine that being pressed against the serpent, though it’s much weaker in more spread to keep it stick to the ground with a part of it being open to fit the serpents body. And it’s much smaller, only as tall as a few feet above the ground.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

Okay. Big question. How do these small crows have this much chakra? And also if they had this much chakra, they would have cost a whole lot more to summon

 

[SageNeb]

Okay. Big question. How do these small crows have this much chakra? And also if they had this much chakra, they would have cost a whole lot more to summon

They aren’t just ordinary crows

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

It’s hard to describe what I was going for, but think of the rashomon. Imagine that being pressed against the serpent, though it’s much weaker in more spread to keep it stick to the ground with a part of it being open to fit the serpents body. And it’s much smaller, only as tall as a few feet above the ground.

A rashomon would smash the serpent instantly, in any case. As their hull is known to be unfriendly heavy, more so than even solid rock. I doubt that it’s around rashomon strength, you may want to rethink that

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

They aren’t just ordinary crows

Yes I get that, ninja crows or something along the lines. Even if so, I doubt they would cost such a low ammount to summon and utilize such powerful Justus for such tiny bodies to store chakra

 

[SageNeb]

A rashomon would smash the serpent instantly, in any case. As their hull is known to be unfriendly heavy, more so than even solid rock. I doubt that it’s around rashomon strength, you may want to rethink that

I did say much weaker. More like a line than a flat front facing surface?

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

I did say much weaker. More like a line than a flat front facing surface?

Is what your aiming for like a liquid cement?

 

[SageNeb]

Yes I get that, ninja crows or something along the lines. Even if so, I doubt they would cost such a low ammount to summon and utilize such powerful Justus for such tiny bodies to store chakra

Pa and Ma are tiny but they can store a lot of chakra

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

Pa and Ma are tiny but they can store a lot of chakra

1. Those two cost a lot to bring out.

2. They are ungodly powerful, enough to easily take out jounin levels I imagine

 

[SageNeb]

Is what your aiming for like a liquid cement?

Think of a bridge. Now imagine that a lot less long and tall. That’s how the cages are

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

Think of a bridge. Now imagine that a lot less long and tall. That’s how the cages are

So sort of like several pins on the serpent, trying to keep certain segments attached to the ground?

 

[SageNeb]

1. Those two cost a lot to bring out.

2. They are ungodly powerful, enough to easily take out jounin levels I imagine

These crows are jonin level. Raiku didn’t bring them out all by himself tho

 

[SageNeb]

So sort of like several pins on the serpent, trying to keep certain segments attached to the ground?

Yea but there’s a lot and they’re keeping pressure on it to break it

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

These crows are jonin level. Raiku didn’t bring them out all by himself tho

Okay wait. Back up. You can’t just bring in two jounin level friends summoned in just like that. That screams foul.

 

[SageNeb]

Okay wait. Back up. You can’t just bring in two jounin level friends summoned in just like that. That screams foul.

Yea I know. Don’t really plan on using these guys often. They are summons after all anyways, they have a time limit. Looked it up tho, apparently you only need chakra to summon, keeping them there just depends on how much time is left. Explaining more on how Raiku summoned them with just “help” and using more chakra then usual is something that I wanna explain later.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

Yea I know. Don’t really plan on using these guys often. They are summons after all anyways, they have a time limit. Looked it up tho, apparently you only need chakra to summon, keeping them there just depends on how much time is left. Explaining more on how Raiku summoned them with just “help” and using more chakra then usual is something that I wanna explain later.

Two jounin level summons is incredibly unbalanced and wholly unfair to everyone involved. And without any explanation in how they were summoned without Raiku even knowing how before this very point.

While having multi natured crows is a very neat dynamic for Raiku, making each jounin level before Raiku is even a chunnin is too far fetched and broken for my liking. Time limit or not.