Private/Closed Naruto AU RP: discussion

[Shen: King of Digimon]

Another thing you have to consider is the moment Raiku used his Sharingan on Kai then Kai would be suspicious and it would totally blow his chance of convincing him he's a good Xeno. And even if Kai didn't realize Raiku was using his Sharingan, Hama or Tsuki would've been able to point it out and that might've caused a fight.

Yeah, that would be like an act of violence against him XD

 

[kyuukestu]

I like your idea with the Sharingan. Give me a minute to like...write an essay on my thoughts though.

 

[kyuukestu]

Regarding Genjutsu...it's not used a lot in canon because it's supposed to be exceeding difficult to craft a convincing genjutsu. That is the main thing with genjutsu, and here's why;

1) You need to have extremely skillful chakra control because you're using chakra to remotely control an opponent's senses.

2) You have to be meticulous enough to craft a convincing Illusion.

This isn't to say that illusions that aren't convincing don't work, because that's not always the case. They do work, but the problem is that an unconvincing illusion would immediately alert your opponent to the genjutsu besing used and they would break it immediately.

However, at this point, a distinction must be made. Noticing you're in a genjutsu and breaking a genjutsu are two entirely different acts. You can notice you're in a genjutsu but still be incapable of breaking it.

The criteria for getting yourself out of a genjutsu depends on the genjutsu itself and what tasks it sets out to accomplish.

E.g.

You're on the Beach and you use a genjutsu that makes the opponent think they're suddenly in a forest.

This is a god-awful genjutsu because the opponent would instantly notice a massive change in setting and thus perform a genjutsu release. If you did something like that, even with the Sharingan, you'd still flup up the genjutsu.

I'll need to get back to this point because I can already see Godjacob coming with some Sharingan-hype. So hold your opinion for a moment.
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Because you need to first craft a convincing genjutsu, something that your opponent won't instantly realize you need to be very careful with the genjutsu you cast.

Note: This isn't to say you can't make changes in your environment with genjutsu, but they can't be displayed in such an obvious was that even a 3-year-old could look and say; 'Yea that volcano wasn't there 5 seconds ago. Definitely a genjutsu.'

If you, however, possess water release, and your genjutsu tricks the opponent into thinking you used a water release technique, then when a river appears your opponent doesn't go Totally a genjutsu, but instead would think you used said Water release technique.

This is what is meant by a convincing genjutsu. It needs to be crafted in such a way that it logically makes sense for whatever it is that happens, to actually happen. If what your opponent see's makes no sense to them, then you're genjutsu is already bound for failure.

The difficulty of crafting such a high-tier illusion makes genjutsu next to impossible for people without exceptional chakra control. GG all, Shippuden genjutsu goddess Sagsō.

This doesn't apply to the Sharingan because it gifts the user the Sharingan's generic genjutsu, which means the minute details one would normally need to be aware of are kinda automatically inserted for them.

Spoiler: Anecdote of Sharingan Genjutsu vs Hand-Crafted Genjutsu

A good example would be to equate genjutsu to writing & typing, ad chakra control to penmanship.

Say you write the word 'Sagisō' 20 times using a pencil. If you've got really good penmansip (chakra control & intelligence) you can ensure than even if all 20 of them aren't identically, they still look pretty damn similar, and so a random person wouldn't be able to easily tell the difference.

Most people don't have good penmanship, thus, when they write some letters are bigger than others, the letter 'S' might be shaped differently than some other 's's, and on a general basis, the writing isn't uniform.

When people can easily spot the difference, it's an unconvincing genjutsu, and they can break out easily.

Dojutsu, however, are like magnifying glasses, they can identify these differences, and thus say this is a genjutsu because they can pick up on very minute details like the thickness of the strokes, the curvature of the letters etc.

The Sharingan makes all that penmanship stuff moot. It's a keyboard, and when you press 'S', the same exact 'S' comes out no matter how many times you do it.

Remember though the sharingan user still can't craft a genjutsu that's drastically different because even with their generic sharingan genjutsu, large changes are still noticeable, like all the font changes I just did.

The reason genjutsu doesn't work on the Sharingan, and most dojutsu for that matter is their ability to see chakra and their acute vision. Using their visual prowess, dojutsu users can identify the differences between the real world and the illusion, thus they immediately become aware that a genjutsu is being performed and can thus counteract it.

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Okay, remember how I said genjutsu doesn't always need to be convincing? Certain genjutsu have no need to fool the opponent. These are the truly dangerous types of genjutsu.

They make no attempt to craft a convincing illusion, because the user has such a high level of chakra control that he/she can use genjutsu to sieze control of your body.

Such genjutsu include, but are not limited to, Tayuya's Demonic Flute: Phantom Sound Chains, and Sage Art Demonic Illusion: Toad Confrontation Chant.

Both are audio-based genjutsu, and they have no need for crafting a convincing genjutsu because they immobilize the opponent's body. So what if you can tell its a genjutsu? Hard to break it when you cant move, no?

Shikamaru was able to instantly tell it was a genjutsu even before the technique was in full effect, but he couldn't really stop it because he couldn't control his body. Thus even though he knew he was in a genjutsu, he couldn't just go genjutsu release.

Toad Confrontation Song does the same thing, paralyze the opponent so that although they can tell they're in a genjutsu, the genjutsu itself prevents them from breaking it.

This is also, presumable, how Sharingan mind-control works. The victim might be aware that they're in a genjutsu, but they can't do anything about it. Needless to say, to manipulate a victim to such a degree requires a ridiculous level of chakra control.

This is how Uchiha control the Nine Tails, because Kurama is very aware that he's being controlled, he's even stated his dislike for being controlled. This requires powerful chakra and a high level of chakra control, usualy neither is obtained prior to possession of the Mangekyō Sharingan.

Needless to say, 2-Tomoe Kiro, and 3-Tomoe Raiku don't possess such capabilities.

They might upon acquisation of the Mangekyō Sharingan though.

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Genjutsu can be borken in a variety of ways.

1. Is the Genjutsu Release.

Naturally, this doesn't work if you can't control your body.

2. Outside Assistance.

Every Genjutsu, except for Tsukiyomi which occurs too quickly for anyone else to intervene, can be broken via an outside prode of chakra. Kotoamatsukami is arguable.

3. External Stimulai e.g. pain.

Inflicting pain on oneself, along with a few other stimuli, are capable of forcefully breaking genjutsu.

 

[Godjacob]

The reason genjutsu doesn't work on the Sharingan, and most dojutsu for that matter is their ability to see chakra and their acute vision. Using their visual prowess, dojutsu users can identify the differences between the real world and the illusion, thus they immediately become aware that a genjutsu is being performed and can thus counteract it.

Except Dojutsu is not an auto immunity to it either. Sasuke and Itachi have both been placed under Genjutsu successfully in the past.

 

[kyuukestu]

Except Dojutsu is not an auto immunity to it either. Sasuke and Itachi have both been placed under Genjutsu successfully in the past.

Ahem, that falls under this here category.

They make no attempt to craft a convincing illusion, because the user has such a high level of chakra control that he/she can use genjutsu to seize control of your body.

Such genjutsu include, but are not limited to, Tayuya's Demonic Flute: Phantom Sound Chains, and Sage Art Demonic Illusion: Toad Confrontation Chant.

Both are audio-based genjutsu, and they have no need for crafting a convincing genjutsu because they immobilize the opponent's body. So what if you can tell it a genjutsu? Hard to break it when you cant move, no?

 

[kyuukestu]

That being said they were both aware that they were in genjutsu the minute it started.

External Stimuli was used to break it by hitting each other with genjutsu.

This can also be performed by using a reflective surface such as Sarada did when facing the Iwa-Genjutsu user.

 

[kyuukestu]

Ah, and with that also said, If you get caught in a genjutsu (body-controlling type) through visual means without your dojutsu activated, you'll still get controlled.

Which is what happened to Sarada. Though, as I stated, she broke out of it by hitting herself with genjutsu using a reflection.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

Ahem, that falls under this here category.

Yet Sauske couldn’t get past Haze clones?

 

[Retro Master]

Regarding Genjutsu...it's not used a lot in canon because it's supposed to be exceeding difficult to craft a convincing genjutsu. That is the main thing with genjutsu, and here's why;

1) You need to have extremely skillful chakra control because you're using chakra to remotely control an opponent's senses.

2) You have to be meticulous enough to craft a convincing Illusion.

This isn't to say that illusions that aren't convincing don't work, because that's not always the case. They do work, but the problem is that an unconvincing illusion would immediately alert your opponent to the genjutsu besing used and they would break it immediately.

However, at this point, a distinction must be made. Noticing you're in a genjutsu and breaking a genjutsu are two entirely different acts. You can notice you're in a genjutsu but still be incapable of breaking it.

The criteria for getting yourself out of a genjutsu depends on the genjutsu itself and what tasks it sets out to accomplish.



This is a god-awful genjutsu because the opponent would instantly notice a massive change in setting and thus perform a genjutsu release. If you did something like that, even with the Sharingan, you'd still flup up the genjutsu.

I'll need to get back to this point because I can already see Godjacob coming with some Sharingan-hype. So hold your opinion for a moment.
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Because you need to first craft a convincing genjutsu, something that your opponent won't instantly realize you need to be very careful with the genjutsu you cast.

Note: This isn't to say you can't make changes in your environment with genjutsu, but they can't be displayed in such an obvious was that even a 3-year-old could look and say; 'Yea that volcano wasn't there 5 seconds ago. Definitely a genjutsu.'

If you, however, possess water release, and your genjutsu tricks the opponent into thinking you used a water release technique, then when a river appears your opponent doesn't go Totally a genjutsu, but instead would think you used said Water release technique.

This is what is meant by a convincing genjutsu. It needs to be crafted in such a way that it logically makes sense for whatever it is that happens, to actually happen. If what your opponent see's makes no sense to them, then you're genjutsu is already bound for failure.

The difficulty of crafting such a high-tier illusion makes genjutsu next to impossible for people without exceptional chakra control. GG all, Shippuden genjutsu goddess Sagsō.

This doesn't apply to the Sharingan because it gifts the user the Sharingan's generic genjutsu, which means the minute details one would normally need to be aware of are kinda automatically inserted for them.

Spoiler: Anecdote of Sharingan Genjutsu vs Hand-Crafted Genjutsu

A good example would be to equate genjutsu to writing & typing, ad chakra control to penmanship.

Say you write the word 'Sagisō' 20 times using a pencil. If you've got really good penmansip (chakra control & intelligence) you can ensure than even if all 20 of them aren't identically, they still look pretty damn similar, and so a random person wouldn't be able to easily tell the difference.

Most people don't have good penmanship, thus, when they write some letters are bigger than others, the letter 'S' might be shaped differently than some other 's's, and on a general basis, the writing isn't uniform.

When people can easily spot the difference, it's an unconvincing genjutsu, and they can break out easily.

Dojutsu, however, are like magnifying glasses, they can identify these differences, and thus say this is a genjutsu because they can pick up on very minute details like the thickness of the strokes, the curvature of the letters etc.

The Sharingan makes all that penmanship stuff moot. It's a keyboard, and when you press 'S', the same exact 'S' comes out no matter how many times you do it.

Remember though the sharingan user still can't craft a genjutsu that's drastically different because even with their generic sharingan genjutsu, large changes are still noticeable, like all the font changes I just did.

The reason genjutsu doesn't work on the Sharingan, and most dojutsu for that matter is their ability to see chakra and their acute vision. Using their visual prowess, dojutsu users can identify the differences between the real world and the illusion, thus they immediately become aware that a genjutsu is being performed and can thus counteract it.

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Okay, remember how I said genjutsu doesn't always need to be convincing? Certain genjutsu have no need to fool the opponent. These are the truly dangerous types of genjutsu.

They make no attempt to craft a convincing illusion, because the user has such a high level of chakra control that he/she can use genjutsu to sieze control of your body.

Such genjutsu include, but are not limited to, Tayuya's Demonic Flute: Phantom Sound Chains, and Sage Art Demonic Illusion: Toad Confrontation Chant.

Both are audio-based genjutsu, and they have no need for crafting a convincing genjutsu because they immobilize the opponent's body. So what if you can tell its a genjutsu? Hard to break it when you cant move, no?

Shikamaru was able to instantly tell it was a genjutsu even before the technique was in full effect, but he couldn't really stop it because he couldn't control his body. Thus even though he knew he was in a genjutsu, he couldn't just go genjutsu release.

Toad Confrontation Song does the same thing, paralyze the opponent so that although they can tell they're in a genjutsu, the genjutsu itself prevents them from breaking it.

This is also, presumable, how Sharingan mind-control works. The victim might be aware that they're in a genjutsu, but they can't do anything about it. Needless to say, to manipulate a victim to such a degree requires a ridiculous level of chakra control.

This is how Uchiha control the Nine Tails, because Kurama is very aware that he's being controlled, he's even stated his dislike for being controlled. This requires powerful chakra and a high level of chakra control, usualy neither is obtained prior to possession of the Mangekyō Sharingan.

Needless to say, 2-Tomoe Kiro, and 3-Tomoe Raiku don't possess such capabilities.

They might upon acquisation of the Mangekyō Sharingan though.

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Genjutsu can be borken in a variety of ways.

1. Is the Genjutsu Release.

Naturally, this doesn't work if you can't control your body.

2. Outside Assistance.

Every Genjutsu, except for Tsukiyomi which occurs too quickly for anyone else to intervene, can be broken via an outside prode of chakra. Kotoamatsukami is arguable.

3. External Stimulai e.g. pain.

Inflicting pain on oneself, along with a few other stimuli, are capable of forcefully breaking genjutsu.

In the RP, I think it’s frowned upon to enact even simple genjutsu without permission from the opponent. So even if it’s a ‘good’ genjutsu, it might not be fair to the opponent if they don’t get a chance to react. Which I recommended explaining the genjutsu first and giving someone the chance to react after considering a few factors.

And yeah, I’m pretty sure I stated that genjutsu works better if it’s subtle. I think you were just confirming that point though so no complaints from me.

 

[kyuukestu]

Yet Sauske couldn’t get past Haze clones?

The Clone technique and other such variants that don't create physical form...are a bit different from standard genjutsu. They sorta appear to do the same thing but Genjutsu affects the victim, while the clone technique doesn't do that.

A genjutsu would essentially trick the victim into seeing 'clones', while the clone technique actually creates clones.

There's no disturbance of chakra or flaw in sensory replication that the Sharingan can pick out.

 

[Godjacob]

In the RP, I think it’s frowned upon to enact even simple genjutsu without permission from the opponent. So even if it’s a ‘good’ genjutsu, it might not be fair to the opponent if they don’t get a chance to react. Which I recommended explaining the genjutsu first and giving someone the chance to react after considering a few factors.

And yeah, I’m pretty sure I stated that genjutsu works better if it’s subtle. I think you were just confirming that point though so no complaints from me.

Sakura's main Genjutsu success is making illusions for herself in a psudo substitution. Whenever she tries to do subtle environmental manipulation or any other Genjutsu variant (Hashima, Dosu) it tends to go not as favorably.

So I can see the struggle with Genjutsu in a RP and how it would work between both parities.

 

[kyuukestu]

In the RP, I think it’s frowned upon to enact even simple genjutsu without permission from the opponent. So even if it’s a ‘good’ genjutsu, it might not be fair to the opponent if they don’t get a chance to react. Which I recommended explaining the genjutsu first and giving someone the chance to react after considering a few factors.

And yeah, I’m pretty sure I stated that genjutsu works better if it’s subtle. I think you were just confirming that point though so no complaints from me.

Precisely. Enacting genjutsu would be auto-ing, so it's a pretty complex subject.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

Sakura's main Genjutsu success is making illusions for herself in a psudo substitution. Whenever she tries to do subtle environmental manipulation or any other Genjutsu variant (Hashima, Dosu) it tends to go not as favorably.

So I can see the struggle with Genjutsu in a RP and how it would work between both parities.

She did trick Zaku to be chained into a trap made by Kenji

 

[kyuukestu]

The Clone technique and other such variants that don't create physical form...are a bit different from standard genjutsu. They sorta appear to do the same thing but Genjutsu affects the victim, while the clone technique doesn't do that.

A genjutsu would essentially trick the victim into seeing 'clones', while the clone technique actually creates clones.

There's no disturbance of chakra or flaw in sensory replication that the Sharingan can pick out.

OKay, this isn't exactly true.

Haze Clones, in particular, are of a higher class than regular Clones. Regular clones can be picked out by dojutsu, but Haze clones are far more convincing because they cover up some of the flaws that the regular clone jutsu has. Haze Clones can fool the Sharingan.

 

[kyuukestu]

Note that the Haze Clone Technique isn't even considered to be genjutsu.

 

[Godjacob]

She did trick Zaku to be chained into a trap made by Kenji

And all that was undone by Kou XD

Also Tomiko was there to helping.

 

[Retro Master]

Sakura's main Genjutsu success is making illusions for herself in a psudo substitution. Whenever she tries to do subtle environmental manipulation or any other Genjutsu variant (Hashima, Dosu) it tends to go not as favorably.

So I can see the struggle with Genjutsu in a RP and how it would work between both parities.

I feel like genjutsu would work better for endgame scenarios where the opponent is more fatigued, making them more susceptible to certain types of genjutsu. Kind of like with Danzo. Sasuke tested him with genjutsu early on and it failed. But he was able to figure out Danzo could still be affected. Once the battle was nearing the end where Danzo was less likely to discern the change, he offered a simple suggestion stating that there was still one eye available. The rest was history.

In an RP scenario, the person controlling Danzo could argue why the suggestion fails and change the course of that battle. At the very least, permission would have to be granted before that type of genjutsu works.

 

[Godjacob]

I feel like genjutsu would work better for endgame scenarios where the opponent is more fatigued, making them more susceptible to certain types of genjutsu. Kind of like with Danzo. Sasuke tested him with genjutsu early on and it failed. But he was able to figure out Danzo could still be affected. Once the battle was nearing the end where Danzo was less likely to discern the change, he offered a simple suggestion stating that there was still one eye available. The rest was history.

In an RP scenario, the person controlling Danzo could argue why the suggestion fails and change the course of that battle. At the very least, permission would have to be granted before that type of genjutsu works.

I mean, Genjutsu is one of Sakura's main characteristics in the AU and part of her main fighting style so....

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

OKay, this isn't exactly true.

Haze Clones, in particular, are of a higher class than regular Clones. Regular clones can be picked out by dojutsu, but Haze clones are far more convincing because they cover up some of the flaws that the regular clone jutsu has. Haze Clones can fool the Sharingan.

Note that the Haze Clone Technique isn't even considered to be genjutsu.

Well actually they seemed to be classified as such. And even so, the same technique put around the area that made team 7 not make any progress toward the tower wasn’t seen through with the sharingan

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

I mean, Sakura is one of Sakura's main characteristics in the AU and part of her main fighting style so....

Genjustu is very powerful. Just look at Absurd, that’s his whole shtick XD

 

[SageNeb]

Sakura's main Genjutsu success is making illusions for herself in a psudo substitution. Whenever she tries to do subtle environmental manipulation or any other Genjutsu variant (Hashima, Dosu) it tends to go not as favorably.

So I can see the struggle with Genjutsu in a RP and how it would work between both parities.

literally genjutsu got hashima damaged wdym (in sakura fight)

 

[Godjacob]

literally genjutsu got hashima damaged wdym (in sakura fight)

Nah she saw past a number of the illusions, Sakura using paper bombs in various (Sometimes self harming) styles did damage.

But it is lesser than the Dosu example so fair point.

 

[Retro Master]

I mean, Sakura is one of Sakura's main characteristics in the AU and part of her main fighting style so....

She could be a genjutsu master and brawler too. A good strategy would be to integrate genjutsu at different points of the fight to test or even bait the opponent into believing they can easily figure out the genjutsu. If they believe they know how to handle environmental genjutsu, they’ll be less like likely to suspect a more subtle genjutsu near the end of the battle.

 

[Godjacob]

I'm not saying I don't have plans to use Genjutsu creatively just saying your original point was that Genjutsu should only be used as an end-game thing selectively XD

 

[Grand Master Koop]

The ability to harm someone without physical harm can be OP no matter what it is

 

[Godjacob]

The ability to harm someone without physical harm can be OP no matter what it is

Which is why I want to avoid pulling an Itachi with Sakura. He took Genjutsu too far IMO. I want her Genjutsu to be strong and formidable but not invincible.

 

[Retro Master]

I'm not saying I don't have plans to use Genjutsu creatively just saying your original point was that Genjutsu should only be used as an end-game thing selectively XD

It could be used early game as well. I believe it’s just less likely to work. Really depends on what the goal is with the genjutsu tho

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

The ability to harm someone without physical harm can be OP no matter what it is

Eh, hasn’t been abused like that yet. Tayuya was tricky, but even then Kai faired we’ll all things considered.

Just depends how that harm is transmitted and through what of the five senses of the body

 

[kyuukestu]

Well actually they seemed to be classified as such. And even so, the same technique put around the area that made team 7 not make any progress toward the tower wasn’t seen through with the sharingan

Hmm, the Wiki page I'm looking at lists Haze Clones as Ninjutsu, and Mist Clones as Genjutsu.

It's been a long time since I watched those episodes, so I'm not even sure if Sasuke tried to use the Sharingan. I'd need to rewatch and make a judgment. It's possible that Sasuke just didn't have the prowess necessary to see through such genjutsu at the time.

 

[Godjacob]

Eh, hasn’t been abused like that yet. Tayuya was tricky, but even then Kai faired we’ll all things considered.

Just depends how that harm is transmitted and through what of the five senses of the body

Anything that is countered by a bitch slap is far from dangerous XD

Don't hurt me...

 

[Retro Master]

Eh, hasn’t been abused like that yet. Tayuya was tricky, but even then Kai faired we’ll all things considered.

Just depends how that harm is transmitted and through what of the five senses of the body

We’re talking about mental damage right? Physical damage through genjutsu sounds pretty insane now that I think about it.

 

[kyuukestu]

We’re talking about mental damage right? Physical damage through genjutsu sounds pretty insane now that I think about it.

Physical damage does not occur, its just that genjutsu tricks your body into firing up its pain receptors.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

Hmm, the Wiki page I'm looking at lists Haze Clones as Ninjutsu, and Mist Clones as Genjutsu.

It's been a long time since I watched those episodes, so I'm not even sure if Sasuke tried to use the Sharingan. I'd need to rewatch and make a judgment. It's possible that Sasuke just didn't have the prowess necessary to see through such genjutsu at the time.

Oh he did use the sharingan, and he couldn’t see through their genjustu they placed over the entire area.

Anything that is countered by a bitch slap is far from dangerous XD

Don't hurt me...

Ehhhhhh that was way after

We’re talking about mental damage right? Physical damage through genjutsu sounds pretty insane now that I think about it.

Yeah I’m talking mental damage XD

 

[Godjacob]

Ehhhhhh that was way after

True, but he countered all her other illusions before then as well. Most damage she got out of Kai that fight was her chakra drain worms (Which itself was only due to Kai's freeze technique causing him self damage mainly). So the point stands XD

 

[Grand Master Koop]

I actually just wrote my previous comment because I wanted to contribute to the conversation but I wasn't sure what to write about

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

True, but he countered all her other illusions before then as well. Most damage she got out of Kai that fight was her chakra drain worms (Which itself was only due to Kai's freeze technique causing him self damage mainly). So the point stands XD

She only tried one illusion?

His whole strategy is damaging his own chakra reserves or himself to defeat the enemy and organic freeze has a major cost; one arm for the entire battle being unable to be used

 

[kyuukestu]

Oh he did use the sharingan, and he couldn’t see through their genjustu they placed over the entire area.

Ah yes, in that case, there's nothing to see through. If the genjutsu is cast over everything then everything the Sharingan see's is genjutsu, and thus it can't see the real world to distinguish any differences between it and the illusion.

Or at least, that's how I would explain it.

 

[Godjacob]

She only tried one illusion?

His whole strategy is damaging his own chakra reserves or himself to defeat the enemy and organic freeze has a major cost; one arm for the entire battle being unable to be used

I know she used more than one, but I'll dig it up later when I have the time. Got breakfast

 

[Grand Master Koop]

If the Genjutsu is easily recognizable does that make it easy to break out of?

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

Ah yes, in that case, there's nothing to see through. If the genjutsu is cast over everything then everything the Sharingan see's is genjutsu, and thus it can't see the real world to distinguish any differences between it and the illusion.

Or at least, that's how I would explain it.

If the Genjutsu is easily recognizable does that make it easy to break out of?

No not neccicarily. For example Sauske did see through where team oboro were disguising their hiding place within the genjustu, but he couldn’t act on it as they were several feet underground.