Private/Closed Naruto AU RP: discussion

[SageNeb]

And then we can compensate by wind always needing less chakra and fire and lighting being the most destructive transformations.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

So earth and water beats fire. Fire is fueled by wind so it consumes it. And that’s it. Lightning getting through earth doesn’t make sense since it insulated lightning. Rocks don’t soak up water, in fact water erodes rocks. So actually, water beats two things and has no weaknesses. Fire beats one thing and has two weaknesses. Wind has one weakness and beats nothing. Earth beats lightning and fire and has no weaknesses. Lightning has one weakness and beats nothing.

The real nature transformations weaknesses and strengths

Not true. Lightning has more shattering power, so it tears through rock easier. And lightning also zapped through water.

And earth doesn’t beat lightning, but it beats air, and has a slight advantage over fire.

Air is iffy depending on the style.

 

[SageNeb]

Nah the voltage needed for that is way more than what chakra can make unless you have chidori. LCM is more of a speed/defense bonus then destructive lightning

 

[SageNeb]

Wind can’t destroy earth, and earth can’t reach air, so they’re like ghost and normal types

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

Wind can’t destroy earth, and earth can’t reach air, so they’re like ghost and normal types

Erm... no. Kakuzu used like 50 bullets of air, and all of them punched through a huge earth barrier with ease and keep going XD

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

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Some air ninjutsu against earth types

 

[SageNeb]

Kakuzu, an akatsuki, shooting 50 high air pressure bullets breaks through earth. Wow, what an easy thing to do. That’s like using chidori against an air barrier. Also that video proves my point that earth can’t destroy wind since it can only block it away

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

Kakuzu, an akatsuki, shooting 50 high air pressure bullets breaks through earth. Wow, what an easy thing to do. That’s like using chidori against an air barrier. Also that video proves my point that earth can’t destroy wind since it can only block it away

It depends which wind justu. Also, need I remind you that Zaku turned boulders and trees into dust. The boulders without even using the extreme variant.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

Also that video proves my point that earth can’t destroy wind since it can only block it away

That...disperses/destroys the wind style...?

 

[SageNeb]

That...disperses/destroys the wind style...?

The winds are still there just blocked

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

The winds are still there just blocked

That’s like saying crushing flame with a rock wall is just blocking flame.

 

[SageNeb]

ok so that gives wind release two weaknesses

 

[Grand Master Koop]

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Some air ninjutsu against earth types

Really depends how strong the wind and earth are

 

[sSoul]

Really depends how strong the wind and earth are

Like how enough fire evaporates water, enough wind can tear through rocks(best irl comparison I could think of would be a tornado and its debris cloud)

 

[SageNeb]

That rule still applies, but new weaknesses

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

That rule still applies, but new weaknesses

Case by case basis really

 

[kyuukestu]

So earth and water beats fire. Fire is fueled by wind so it consumes it. And that’s it. Lightning getting through earth doesn’t make sense since it insulated lightning. Rocks don’t soak up water, in fact water erodes rocks. So actually, water beats two things and has no weaknesses. Fire beats one thing and has two weaknesses. Wind has one weakness and beats nothing. Earth beats lightning and fire and has no weaknesses. Lightning has one weakness and beats nothing.

The real nature transformations weaknesses and strengths

Eh...didn't I already explain how these work on the Chinese Elements rather than the western elements?

Even disregarding that the elemental advantages are never absolute. It's just a general rule of thumb.

E.g. Flames can be blown out by the Wind, which is an exception that depends on the Jutsu used.

They're based on the Chinese interpretation of the natural elements.

Which I will pull up against along with an explanatory essay ~w~

It's really more case-to-case though, as Shen said.

 

[Grand Master Koop]

Alright now we get everyone to the main fighting event

 

[Godjacob]

Um....mine are not dead yet...

 

[Grand Master Koop]

You mean IS not dead yet, since you only have one

 

[Godjacob]

You mean IS not dead yet, since you only have one

No I have two Jashinists and two opponents. least that was my impression, one cultist per person with Kiro killing his.

 

[Grand Master Koop]

Actually there are only 4 of them, Shura killed on initially then Kiro killed another and Shura just killed the leader guy so that leaves one for you

 

[Godjacob]

Actually there are only 4 of them, Shura killed on initially then Kiro killed another and Shura just killed the leader guy so that leaves one for you

Well clearly nobody corrected me when I had Takato & Tayuya fight two separate people in my post if that was the intent...

 

[Godjacob]

Besides I asked Retro before I made my post if we make our own opponents for this Jashin fight and he said yes so I thought we had to make one for each character. My mistake if I missed that but again nobody has told me any different before now.

 

[Grand Master Koop]

It won't be a problem to raise it to 5, I'll just need to grind my original post and edit it

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

Besides I asked Retro before I made my post if we make our own opponents for this Jashin fight and he said yes so I thought we had to make one for each character. My mistake if I missed that but again nobody has told me any different before now.

Hmm perhaps then clarity would be better for next time

 

[Retro Master]

Besides I asked Retro before I made my post if we make our own opponents for this Jashin fight and he said yes so I thought we had to make one for each character. My mistake if I missed that but again nobody has told me any different before now.

Yeah, I did say that but Koopa corrected me the post directly afterwards.

You mean save one for them, Shura's taking the leader as well

I honestly don’t think it matters though. It’s filler. My only complaint is that Takato didn’t kill his one yet lel

 

[Godjacob]

It won't be a problem to raise it to 5, I'll just need to grind my original post and edit it

Yeah sorry that would help. Again apologies for making you edit it like this ^^'

Hmm perhaps then clarity would be better for next time

I agree with this.

 

[Godjacob]

Yeah, I did say that but Koopa corrected me the post directly afterwards.

I honestly don’t think it matters though. It’s filler. My only complaint is that Takato didn’t kill his one yet lel

Well I am an idiot who probably missed it due to exams.

And Tayuya hasn't killed hers either.

 

[Retro Master]

Well I am an idiot who probably missed it due to exams.

And Tayuya hasn't killed hers either.

You should’ve had them kill their opponents in the same post to save some time. There was no need for you to rush and post if that’s what you were doing.

Tayuya was destroying hers so I thought he was as good as dead XD

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

Tayuya was destroying hers so I thought he was as good as dead XD

I think she’s having some fun XD

 

[Godjacob]

You should’ve had them kill their opponents in the same post to save some time. There was no need for you to rush and post if that’s what you were doing.

Tayuya was destroying hers so I thought he was as good as dead XD

Well, I was going under the rule of thumb that just because they are fodder did not mean we had to make them push overs. Guess I picked a bad time to stretch it out XD

 

[Grand Master Koop]

They were pushovers for Shura and Kiro

 

[Godjacob]

Yeah I am realizing I picked the wrong time to do this XD.

I'll work on an edit to wrap up their fights in that post ASAP.

 

[Retro Master]

Well, I was going under the rule of thumb that just because they are fodder did not mean we had to make them push overs. Guess I picked a bad time to stretch it out XD

I was a bit questionable on the level of these opponents as well.

Don't waste chakra~

That was my answer. So I didn’t waste any lel

 

[Grand Master Koop]

Shura also took their leader out without too much issues so this either makes it seem like they're stronger than the leader or Takato and Tayuya are weaker than the rest of the group

 

[Godjacob]

I was a bit questionable on the level of these opponents as well.

Well I mean given the fact that Kiro killed his in his fashion they probably didn't even graduate the academy XD

Shura also took their leader out without too much issues so this either makes it seem like they're stronger than the leader or Takato and Tayuya are weaker than the rest of the group

Very much true and like I said I will make edit.

This is why fodder should not be used when judging the strength of a nation. They only exist to die over easy no matter their rank so bottom line nation's strength=# of big named characters they have XD

 

[Godjacob]

Alright made edits. They are now dead.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

Alright made edits. They are now dead.

Posts out of context

 

[kyuukestu]

Ehehe, so I ended up taking a nap instead of writing that essay, whoops?

To cut a long story very short, everyone's favorite Chinese Concept, the Eight Trigrams are back with an unnecessarily confusing and complex sequence of interactions.

So Ignoring Mountain, Lake, and Heaven, you're left with Thunder, Fire, Wind, Water, Earth.

Although they're based on the natural elements, so many parallels are drawn between them and other things that their interactions...don't really make sense in a Western understanding.

But lemme try to explain this anyway.

It goes like this;

Trigrams that are opposite to each other form pairs. Fire-Water, Thunder-Wind, Mountain-Lake, Heaven-Earth.

They represent Yin-Yang interactions so they should be opposite, conflicting, yet complementary.

So Fire evaporates water, but water quenches the fire. The interaction should go both ways.

The story goes that one of the 3 Sovereigns and 5 Emperors, Fu Xi gained enlightenment of the entire universe and ascended to godhood after understanding the concept of Bagua and charting the Trigrams.

He witnessed lightning struck trees on the mountain, setting off a huge fire. But in a minute, heavy rain doused the flames. The raindrops dripping from the trees activated the streams, which converged into the waterfalls. It seemed that everything in the universe was related and interactive.

lightning strikes the ground and tears it apart (lightning > earth)
fires are quenched by water (water > fire)
earth (dirt) absorbs water (earth > water)
wind fuels fire (fire > wind)
wind insulates lightning (wind > lightning)


The Naruto elements are sorta based here though they do have a bit of western influence.

If none of this makes sense to you, then Masashi Kishimoto said so, so just deal with it :T

The Bagua makes very little sense in a common-sense type of way. Besides Water-Fire, the rest interact in some absolutely ridiculous ways (Like Wind-Thunder joined correspond to the Wood of the Five Elements)

Fun Fact; one of the 3 Sovereigns is named Shen, well, Shen-nong