I was planning for him to get a Sealeo and a Rhydon.
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Oooo, I'm planning on having her catch a Dark-Type along with a Chikorita and Combat Tauros. Maybe that Dark-Type is around the Rhydon's zone? :3 That way, Johnathan can get to know Naka at least
I was planning Billy to get a Granbull and a Dratini. They could bump into each other in a water area after Billy catches Granbull.
Could you add Ariana to the Pokémon Exhibition, and Firey to Sumo Conference (Entering Metagross), and Emma to the Eclispe Festival if those selections are Okay?
Sure, that sounds good
That also sounds good
Now question is which one to have him catch first?
Right, so because this RP is pretty big and across multiple regions, I have created an Event Calendar to help people keep track of things they want to participate in. However, I'd like to use a picture of characters instead of text for viewing ease. So if your character is not on the list below, please present an image/face claim that can identify your character:
For reference, here's what the current week looks like for the Johto Group regarding events and character participation.
Please note that if you're planning an event I'm not aware of, (in another region for example) and you'd like it added to the calendar then you'll need to notify me.
For reference, here's what the current week looks like for the Johto Group regarding events and character participation.
Please note that if you're planning an event I'm not aware of, (in another region for example) and you'd like it added to the calendar then you'll need to notify me.
@kyuukestu Billy is part of the Safari group.
fixed o7
Alright, you might need to zoom in to read all the text, but I've listed the rough locations of all the events on this map. Events are indicated by purple diamonds, so look out for those.
I'll post the calendar of these events in a few minutes.
If you can't read from the above image, then try to access everything directly here: https://www.figma.com/file/nwEbiP3vZaye9RqFWQTJSA/Event-Calandar?type=whiteboard&node-id=0%3A1&t=L3xTaNDxj1teEjOQ-1 (Figma)
I'll post the calendar of these events in a few minutes.
If you can't read from the above image, then try to access everything directly here: https://www.figma.com/file/nwEbiP3vZaye9RqFWQTJSA/Event-Calandar?type=whiteboard&node-id=0%3A1&t=L3xTaNDxj1teEjOQ-1 (Figma)
Whilst I wait for Mahou the Alakazam to be recovered in the Pokemon Center, here's some forms for the two Snagem grunts so that I can possibly play them in the future if I want to do a plot with @Charlotte Pryce since she expressed interest in doing some evil team stuff:
Name: Kane Kuroishi
Gender: Male
Age: 27
Trainer Class: (Former) Team Snagem Grunt, Biker, Delinquent
Physical Appearance: A tall muscular young man covered in tattoos. He either sports a buzzcut or a bald head with a small goatee with a round head. He also has multiple scars and appears like your normal thug or criminal.
Clothing: A black torn jacket with blue torn jeans or black torn shorts. He has a belt full of black snag balls.
Personality: Out of the pair of two grunts that followed Michiko, he is most domineering, thuglike and tries to be the leader out of the two. He has clearly comitted quite a few crimes. Despite his leaderlike personality, he still insists on finding and following Michiko's orders. He is loyal and highly values loyalty and friendship. He is also chatty.
Backstory: Kane was born in the suburbs of Fuschia City. His parents owned a cycle shop that was frequently vandilised by hooligans, having previously had experience in their hometowns of Cerulean City and Mauville City in Hoenn respectively. However, they were forced to move once again, now choosing to go to the Johto region. However, in the process, their shop was destroyed and Kane's parents perished! In the aftermath, Kane joined a group of thugs and deliquents who operated along the cycle route and Sevii Islands as a kid. As time progressed, he moved further and further away from them as he began to hear of new opportunities - within the group, many thugs had been moving to Orre. He discovered they were joining Team Snagem. Managing to obtain a number of Snag Balls, Kane made his way on his own to Orre, where he discovered he actually had a family there. Of course their lives were also ruined by Team Snagem, which Kane aided, but he managed to snag a large amount of Pokemon from other trainers during this time. When the two trainers defeated Team Snagem and exposed the Cipher plot, many grunts of Team Snagem left and it was hollow to the core. Kane kept defending them because they were now his only home. He did odd jobs here and there before he learnt of a secret plot to infiltrate other regions from the minds of a small number of grunts and subsequently followed a small group to their misfortune in the TCG islands. However, it was here that he met what would be his future for the next few years: the Scientist Michiko who adopted an alter ego and became the remaining grunt's new leader until only two grunts, Kane himself and Josh, were left! Moving around the world again to help Michiko, they finally settled on Saffron City in Kanto, before the events of the RP happened.
Team:
Nickname: Flip
Gender: Male
Species: Voltorb
Ability: Static
Held Item: Focus Sash
Moves: Charge Beam, Rollout, Electro Ball, Selfdestruct, Explosion, Gyro Ball, Electric Terrain, Thunderbolt
Nickname: Giggles
Gender: Female
Species: Mightyena
Ability: Intimidate
Held Item: Blackglasses
Moves: Crunch, Roar, Howl, Snarl, Fire Fang, Ice Fang, Thunder Fang, Play Rough
Nickname: Widemouth (Vlad)
Gender: Male
Species: Golbat
Ability: Infiltrator
Held Item: Black Sludge
Moves: Poison Fang, Venoshock, Supersonic, Mean Look, Bite, Acrobatics, Leech Life, U-Turn
Nickname: Malik
Gender: Male
Species: Makuhita
Ability: Guts
Held Item: Black Belt
Moves: Fake Out, Force Palm, Belly Drum, Bulk Up, Knock Off, Seismic Toss, Dynamicpunch, Body Press
Nickname: Cruiser
Gender: Male
Species: Steelix
Ability: Sturdy
Held Item: Metal Coat
Moves: Iron Tail, Ice Fang, Rock Slide, Stealth Rock, Earthquake, Iron Head, Dragon Tail, Psychic Fangs
Gender: Male
Age: 27
Trainer Class: (Former) Team Snagem Grunt, Biker, Delinquent
Physical Appearance: A tall muscular young man covered in tattoos. He either sports a buzzcut or a bald head with a small goatee with a round head. He also has multiple scars and appears like your normal thug or criminal.
Clothing: A black torn jacket with blue torn jeans or black torn shorts. He has a belt full of black snag balls.
Personality: Out of the pair of two grunts that followed Michiko, he is most domineering, thuglike and tries to be the leader out of the two. He has clearly comitted quite a few crimes. Despite his leaderlike personality, he still insists on finding and following Michiko's orders. He is loyal and highly values loyalty and friendship. He is also chatty.
Backstory: Kane was born in the suburbs of Fuschia City. His parents owned a cycle shop that was frequently vandilised by hooligans, having previously had experience in their hometowns of Cerulean City and Mauville City in Hoenn respectively. However, they were forced to move once again, now choosing to go to the Johto region. However, in the process, their shop was destroyed and Kane's parents perished! In the aftermath, Kane joined a group of thugs and deliquents who operated along the cycle route and Sevii Islands as a kid. As time progressed, he moved further and further away from them as he began to hear of new opportunities - within the group, many thugs had been moving to Orre. He discovered they were joining Team Snagem. Managing to obtain a number of Snag Balls, Kane made his way on his own to Orre, where he discovered he actually had a family there. Of course their lives were also ruined by Team Snagem, which Kane aided, but he managed to snag a large amount of Pokemon from other trainers during this time. When the two trainers defeated Team Snagem and exposed the Cipher plot, many grunts of Team Snagem left and it was hollow to the core. Kane kept defending them because they were now his only home. He did odd jobs here and there before he learnt of a secret plot to infiltrate other regions from the minds of a small number of grunts and subsequently followed a small group to their misfortune in the TCG islands. However, it was here that he met what would be his future for the next few years: the Scientist Michiko who adopted an alter ego and became the remaining grunt's new leader until only two grunts, Kane himself and Josh, were left! Moving around the world again to help Michiko, they finally settled on Saffron City in Kanto, before the events of the RP happened.
Team:
Nickname: Flip
Gender: Male
Species: Voltorb
Ability: Static
Held Item: Focus Sash
Moves: Charge Beam, Rollout, Electro Ball, Selfdestruct, Explosion, Gyro Ball, Electric Terrain, Thunderbolt
Nickname: Giggles
Gender: Female
Species: Mightyena
Ability: Intimidate
Held Item: Blackglasses
Moves: Crunch, Roar, Howl, Snarl, Fire Fang, Ice Fang, Thunder Fang, Play Rough
Nickname: Widemouth (Vlad)
Gender: Male
Species: Golbat
Ability: Infiltrator
Held Item: Black Sludge
Moves: Poison Fang, Venoshock, Supersonic, Mean Look, Bite, Acrobatics, Leech Life, U-Turn
Nickname: Malik
Gender: Male
Species: Makuhita
Ability: Guts
Held Item: Black Belt
Moves: Fake Out, Force Palm, Belly Drum, Bulk Up, Knock Off, Seismic Toss, Dynamicpunch, Body Press
Nickname: Cruiser
Gender: Male
Species: Steelix
Ability: Sturdy
Held Item: Metal Coat
Moves: Iron Tail, Ice Fang, Rock Slide, Stealth Rock, Earthquake, Iron Head, Dragon Tail, Psychic Fangs
Name: Joshua 'Josh' Aoki
Gender: Male
Age: 28
Trainer Class: (Former) Team Snagem Grunt, Postman (allegedly), Delinquent
Physical Appearance: He appears to be taller than Kane. However, his body is much thinner and it doesn't look like he worked out as much. This gives him an almost skeletal or tree-like appearance! His face is dumb-looking and he has a blocky chin, giving him an ordinary or dull expression all the time. His eyebrows droop constantly at an angle making him look uninterested.
Clothing: Whilst he does sometimes wear his old Team Snagem black outfit, he prefers to wear suits or more formal wear. Currently, however, he is wearing a smart blue postman's outfit, that of the Kanto postal force. He has a belt with only one or two snag balls left.
Personality: If Kane is 'Tweeadle Dumb', then Josh is 'Tweadle Dee'. In other words, Josh is the smart one, one who actually tried his best in the past. He tries to be kind but is sometimes ironic which gets him into fights. However, he's mostly quiet and introverted and only speaks at the end of a conversation. He finds Kane to be his support mechanism as the two thuggish friends have a brotherly kind of love that has led Kane being Josh's voice in desperate scenarios. Josh seems to have the capability to pull-off high IQ mannoevures but chooses not to. He can sometimes seem uninterested in current events and is often used as a scapegoat in the pair's schemes!
Backstory: Josh is the smarter, taller and quieter counterpart of Kane. He claims his family comes from a highly academic line of nobles, though this has not been proven. Instead, what can be found is that his parents mostly have connections to Hoenn and Johto, his father apparently also being a postman, who moved from Mossdeep City to be with Josh's mother, who was a botanist and flower-arranger based herself in a hotel in Lilycove City. The family lived there for many years but one day tragedy struck as Josh's father, as he was doing the rounds between Lilycove and Fortree City, discovered that he was going to be made redundant. Originally thought to be due to his old age, Josh's father quickly realised that a scandal had embroiled the postal delivery company he was working for. Discovering the true reasons for his unemployment caused a mental breakdown. Josh and his brothers were scattered into the rest of the world to try and discover a cheaper place to live, as Lilycove City costs were high. Some of Josh's family went back to Johto, as Mahogany, Azalea Town and particularly the East had had connections to the family. Others went to Celadon City in Kanto, a favourite location for Josh's mother. However, Josh went just out of arms length to Fuschia City, where he spent his days working various jobs near the Safari Zone interested him. There, he met Kane on the cycling road, with his thugs. Josh mingled with Kane and the two went from being rivals to best friends, as Josh was involved in his own gang of deliquents. It was here that Josh found during his research information about the illusive 'snag ball' and this caused him to acquire a few, before the pair of them were refered to Orre. As a Team Snagem grunt, he worked alongside Kane where they did odd jobs, mostly pointless ones or small operations, before working their way up. Josh's brains were a particular highlight, alongside Kane's brawn, leading to Josh actually getting more important roles than Kane. The pair of them eventually met Michiko and the rest his history. Josh adopted a postman persona in Saffron City when they eventually moved back to the Kanto region, though his cover appears to have been blown!
Team:
Nickname: 'Captain'
Gender: Female/Unknown
Species: Wingull
Ability: Rain Dish
Held Item: Wacan Berry
Moves: Air Slash, Water Pulse, Roost, Supersonic, Aqua Ring, Mist, Gust, Rain Dance
Nickname: Parker
Gender: Male
Species: Ariados
Ability: Sniper
Held Item: Poison Barb
Moves: Poison Jab, Bug Bite, Shadow Sneak, Sticky Web, Cross Poison, Night Slash, Toxic Thread, Psychic
Nickname: Banks
Gender: Male
Species: Meowth
Ability: Technician
Held Item: Amulet Coin, Found items (When not holding this)
Moves: Fake Out, Pay Day, Fury Swipes, Play Rough, Bite, Slash, Aerial Ace, Metal Claw
Nickname: Hinoki (Tree)
Gender: Male
Species: Nuzleaf
Ability: Pickpocket
Held Item: Choice Scarf, Found items (When not holding this)
Moves: Fake Out, Explosion, Razor Leaf, Leaf Blade, Payback, Foul Play, Brick Break, Rock Slide
Nickname: Raj
Gender: Male
Species: Delibird
Ability: Vital Spirit
Held Item: NeverMeltIce, Found items (When not holding this)
Moves: Present, Drill Peck, Air Slash, Ice Beam, Freeze-Dry, Counter, Destiny Bond, Thief
Gender: Male
Age: 28
Trainer Class: (Former) Team Snagem Grunt, Postman (allegedly), Delinquent
Physical Appearance: He appears to be taller than Kane. However, his body is much thinner and it doesn't look like he worked out as much. This gives him an almost skeletal or tree-like appearance! His face is dumb-looking and he has a blocky chin, giving him an ordinary or dull expression all the time. His eyebrows droop constantly at an angle making him look uninterested.
Clothing: Whilst he does sometimes wear his old Team Snagem black outfit, he prefers to wear suits or more formal wear. Currently, however, he is wearing a smart blue postman's outfit, that of the Kanto postal force. He has a belt with only one or two snag balls left.
Personality: If Kane is 'Tweeadle Dumb', then Josh is 'Tweadle Dee'. In other words, Josh is the smart one, one who actually tried his best in the past. He tries to be kind but is sometimes ironic which gets him into fights. However, he's mostly quiet and introverted and only speaks at the end of a conversation. He finds Kane to be his support mechanism as the two thuggish friends have a brotherly kind of love that has led Kane being Josh's voice in desperate scenarios. Josh seems to have the capability to pull-off high IQ mannoevures but chooses not to. He can sometimes seem uninterested in current events and is often used as a scapegoat in the pair's schemes!
Backstory: Josh is the smarter, taller and quieter counterpart of Kane. He claims his family comes from a highly academic line of nobles, though this has not been proven. Instead, what can be found is that his parents mostly have connections to Hoenn and Johto, his father apparently also being a postman, who moved from Mossdeep City to be with Josh's mother, who was a botanist and flower-arranger based herself in a hotel in Lilycove City. The family lived there for many years but one day tragedy struck as Josh's father, as he was doing the rounds between Lilycove and Fortree City, discovered that he was going to be made redundant. Originally thought to be due to his old age, Josh's father quickly realised that a scandal had embroiled the postal delivery company he was working for. Discovering the true reasons for his unemployment caused a mental breakdown. Josh and his brothers were scattered into the rest of the world to try and discover a cheaper place to live, as Lilycove City costs were high. Some of Josh's family went back to Johto, as Mahogany, Azalea Town and particularly the East had had connections to the family. Others went to Celadon City in Kanto, a favourite location for Josh's mother. However, Josh went just out of arms length to Fuschia City, where he spent his days working various jobs near the Safari Zone interested him. There, he met Kane on the cycling road, with his thugs. Josh mingled with Kane and the two went from being rivals to best friends, as Josh was involved in his own gang of deliquents. It was here that Josh found during his research information about the illusive 'snag ball' and this caused him to acquire a few, before the pair of them were refered to Orre. As a Team Snagem grunt, he worked alongside Kane where they did odd jobs, mostly pointless ones or small operations, before working their way up. Josh's brains were a particular highlight, alongside Kane's brawn, leading to Josh actually getting more important roles than Kane. The pair of them eventually met Michiko and the rest his history. Josh adopted a postman persona in Saffron City when they eventually moved back to the Kanto region, though his cover appears to have been blown!
Team:
Nickname: 'Captain'
Gender: Female/Unknown
Species: Wingull
Ability: Rain Dish
Held Item: Wacan Berry
Moves: Air Slash, Water Pulse, Roost, Supersonic, Aqua Ring, Mist, Gust, Rain Dance
Nickname: Parker
Gender: Male
Species: Ariados
Ability: Sniper
Held Item: Poison Barb
Moves: Poison Jab, Bug Bite, Shadow Sneak, Sticky Web, Cross Poison, Night Slash, Toxic Thread, Psychic
Nickname: Banks
Gender: Male
Species: Meowth
Ability: Technician
Held Item: Amulet Coin, Found items (When not holding this)
Moves: Fake Out, Pay Day, Fury Swipes, Play Rough, Bite, Slash, Aerial Ace, Metal Claw
Nickname: Hinoki (Tree)
Gender: Male
Species: Nuzleaf
Ability: Pickpocket
Held Item: Choice Scarf, Found items (When not holding this)
Moves: Fake Out, Explosion, Razor Leaf, Leaf Blade, Payback, Foul Play, Brick Break, Rock Slide
Nickname: Raj
Gender: Male
Species: Delibird
Ability: Vital Spirit
Held Item: NeverMeltIce, Found items (When not holding this)
Moves: Present, Drill Peck, Air Slash, Ice Beam, Freeze-Dry, Counter, Destiny Bond, Thief
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Both look good o7
Interesting. I have a few ideas if you want to talk.
Sorry, didn't see your post until just now! What ideas do you have?
Waiting for someone else to post. It's been a few days since I posted mine. Activity seems to be slowing down.
Yeah, posting here can fluctuate from fast to slow. I've been having a hard time finding the energy to post due to some mental struggles, but I should be good to go today and tomorrow to get some posts out :3 don't worry, I haven't ghosted lol
Tell me a bit more about the Snagem Balls @Max Million , because I think you’d need to modify/improve them or add something to make snagging viable in RP, in the way that it was used,
In Colosseum snagged pokemon are usually converted to Shadow Pokemon which is why they obey the thief. Otherwise I think pokemon are generally clever enough to consciously disobey an enemy even if that enemy owns/steals their pokeball.
This would be all the more for a Police Pokemon like Growlithe who’d have more specialized training, not to mention one of the main reasons the police force uses Growlithe is that they’re extremely loyal.
Overall I think the Snagem Balls would need some way of corrupting the pokemon it captures or forcing them to obey they thief.
In Colosseum snagged pokemon are usually converted to Shadow Pokemon which is why they obey the thief. Otherwise I think pokemon are generally clever enough to consciously disobey an enemy even if that enemy owns/steals their pokeball.
This would be all the more for a Police Pokemon like Growlithe who’d have more specialized training, not to mention one of the main reasons the police force uses Growlithe is that they’re extremely loyal.
Overall I think the Snagem Balls would need some way of corrupting the pokemon it captures or forcing them to obey they thief.
You think? I was under the impression that it was the other way around - that they snagged them IN ORDER to make them Shadow Pokemon, as Shadow Pokemon are stronger and the Shadow type is super-effective against all types. According to my research, in the games, Wes and Michael seem to be able to snag normal Pokemon with ease and then are able to use them in battle, as that is the only way you can catch Pokemon in those games, excluding Poke Spots.
Snag balls are already modified Poke Balls. They are created by using a Snag Machine, which are rare machines, more common to Orre. I've already made indications of the existence of one in Saffron City belonging to Michiko in Saffron City in my last RP post. Being from Team Snagem, Kane and Josh would presumably already have experience with welcoming new Pokemon in and the usage of snag balls. In addition, Kane and Josh kind of suck at being 'thugs' and actually are good people deep down, which is what I intend to show by the end of the RP. Their friendship with Michiko has led them to value friendship and loyalty above all - they are the last grunts that are still loyal to her or give a damn. A Pokemon would surely be able to sense this?
Regarding the Kanto police force, the games depict them as HIGHLY incompetent. In Red/Blue/Green, FRLG and the Let's Go games, police officers are lazy, often sleeping on the job or are willing to let trainer go by in exchange for soft drinks - something that is easy to find in Celadon City, for instance. They have also been seen to have been manipulated by Team Rocket for money. I'd doubt they would have trained ALL their Pokemon to the best standard, especially if it were one Pokemon accompaning a single interrogator and even then it's up to that Pokemon's owner to make sure that Pokemon gets trained and, just like dogs in real life, Growlithe's behaviour depends on their owners. In addition, Growlithes aren't the strongest Pokemon, especially mentally. They are a stage 1 and would most likely have just been caught by their respective police officers in one of the routes just outside of Saffron City. If my memory recalls, Saffron City sits RIGHT NEXT TO a route where such 'fodder' Pokemon exist, to the East. I doubt, even when you consider the in game data, that these Pokemon would have been trained for such a scenario. Remember that snag balls are only common in Orre, so I doubt the Kanto Police Force of everyone would be prepared for that?
This particular scenario of Kane and Josh catching the Growlithe was one to be used primarily as plot device. They had been thrown under the bus by Michiko and now they had to escape the mess they were in despite only being pawns in their game. It was one of only a few options left. In my mind, it only made sense as I had built that up for them.
Josh so far has only given one order to Growlithe. This Growlithe was previously chained up, so you can imagine he was pretty much abused as he was not given much freedom. Even in the games, when a Pokemon is out of control, it still obeys the user around 50% of the time. That's the influence of the Poke Ball right there. They ensure that a Pokemon obeys at least a small amount of the time.
Going forward, it was NOT my intention to use snag balls to steal other Roleplayer's Pokemon. In fact, I was going to use several precautions to prevent this type of move. First, I would have the snag ball 'stash' in Michiko's house go missing, leaving Kane and Josh with only a few or one snag ball, which you've just seen. Second, the Snag Machine, which is able to convert poke balls into snag balls, would have it's usage limited. To do this, the machine itself would be broken and part of Kane and Josh's arc would be to try and fix it, or in Michiko's case to build one from scratch. If Michiko ended up with the snag balls, the plan was for her to distribute them so that the rest of the group in the Orange Islands would at least have a few. You do not need to worry here, I assure you!
No problem! Sorry I did not reply sooner. It's been busy on my end. Looks like there's been some discussion about Team Snagem already, but I'll share my ideas anyway.
Way back, I suggested having Team C.E.L.L release a rampaging Pokémon, such as an Aggron, near Johto as a way of throwing Charlotte off the trail. I don't suppose Team Snagem members would be interested in hyper-powered rampaging Pokémon by any chance? I could also save the C.E.L.L variant Pokémon for the Safari Zone? Anyone up for a Safari Zone Pokémon catastrophe?
Another idea would be to have Topaz, the leader of Team C.E.L.L, track down and contact your C.E.L.L. members. I know they're undercover but Charlotte kind of was too, and he was able to find her.
Sorry if it wasn't clear, that's what I was saying. Pokémon are Snagged in order to become shadow pokémon and the process of becoming shadow pokémon is what makes them obedient to the thief.
My point of contention here is the ease with which stolen pokémon can be utilized. Unlike in the games, pokémon in RP have more agency and autonomy closer to what we see in the anime. They are remarkably intelligent creatures after all.
This ties into something you refer to later on, 'that pokéballs ensure the pokémon listen to the trainer some of the time', and frankly, I don't think this is the case at all.
I see it as mostly a game mechanic and not one that translates well to the RP, (Much like sure-hit moves, which also don't translate well to RP because that's auto-ing a hit). For things like these, I reference other media within the poké-verse, anime, shorts, manga, etc.
In the anime, we've seen numerous examples of pokémon outright ignoring their trainers despite being with them for long periods of time—Ash's Charizard, Iris' Excadrill, Dawn's Mamoswine, etc. The reasons they do this vary but the gist of it is, even if say, Team Rocket managed to steal Pikachu's pokéball, Pikachu wouldn't just suddenly start taking orders from them.
The pokéball—in an RP setting, or specifically in this RP setting, cause idk what others do in their RP—has no power to compel pokémon to obey.
So the problem I was trying to address here is that you need to overcome whatever relationship the stolen pokémon had with its previous trainer.
I don't have any issues with the spirit of this explanation—in that, 'a pokémon could sense good intentions and choose to follow them'—however, I do take issue with the next part.
This is where the game and RP, a more 'realistic' setting diverge. For things like this, I especially favor the anime and shorts where much has changed to make the world less 'game-y' and more a living, breathing world. From the anime, we can see that the police force operates with at least some level of competency. In the shorts they aren't just sorta competent, they're incredibly competent—
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I do believe you'd have outliers that flake on duty but I can't stand by incompetent being the standard for the police force, not without very sufficient reason. This isn't on you specifically, I like to maintain at least a base level of stability and functionality by giving the RP Pokémon world some parallels to the real world. In order to do that, major systems like law enforcement need to be functional with decent checks and balances.
Unfortunately, I can't preempt every single way that pokémon might be used to corrupt real-world systems, but the most obvious ones should not and will not work in RP because they would've been used already and countermeasures would've been created. Obvious ones like using teleportation to steal. So many pokémon have access to the move that it must have been tried and countermeasures must have been created by now.
For the police force specifically, we do know for a fact that the Police have an Academy and that both Officers and their Pokémon have to go through some level of police training much like real-world police. There are even specific Officer cores that use different species of Pokémon. In Kanto-Johto there's a town that uses Spinarak/Ariados instead of Growlithe and in Sinnoh, they use Luxray for their X-ray vision.
Growlithe are a sample though, they're analogous to real-world police dogs in that they'd be trained to sniff out drugs, contraband, etc. so that the Police can do their job more easily. And trust me, I know for a fact there are other RPers very interested in flooding the market with poké-narcotics.
I have no issue with RPers going around systems and 'laws' by being clever, strong, etc., etc., but I do have an intense dislike for compromising the world's systems without very good reason, largely because it means I have to do a LOT more leg-work to keep things stable and enjoyable for everyone else.
Tl;dr: things about the games and even the anime will be changed to create more functional real-world systems. I don't want Rpers to break these systems easily, however, I will allow you to break them given effort is put in on explanations, writing, etc.
I do take issue with the Police abusing their own pokémon so openly since that's a crime, but police do commit crimes so I don't see it as anything egregious. Paired with the earlier explanation of Kane & Josh being more inherently good, I can see this Growlithe deciding to help them over staying with the abusive police.
I mean, personally, I treat my pokémon as having extensive amounts of autonomy and personality, even if one of my Oc's pokémon were snagged they wouldn't really obey a thief. If anything, one of my Oc's main pokémon has an intense hatred for thieves and poachers since she (the pokémon) was poached from her home.
I imagine a few other Rpers would take a similar approach where their stolen pokémon wouldn't listen to thieves without extremely good reasons.
My general point here is that in a setting where pokémon are practically individuals in their own right, it would help to provide more justification for why these stolen pokémon obey their new trainer. Otherwise, you kind of pigeon-hole yourself into only stealing pokémon from trainers who a abusive in some way. If that is your intention then no problem at all, carry on doing what you're doing.
I'm just gonna put in my two cents here, even though it's not really technically needed:
Most Growlithe (not just those with the police force) from what I've seen in the anime have a sense of right and wrong and I don't know if that's every Growlithe, but I'd like to think they have some basic human intelligence of a 10-year-old. Furthermore, Growlithe are inherently kind creatures, and they don't like seeing others they consider a part of their pack or allies suffer needlessly and will try to stop it. Since Growlithe have very powerful noses, it's almost certain they would almost notice something smells off and would get help.
I'm so confused. :'D
I also have an issue in compromising federal/city instituted agencies (like cops and the like). We RP in a mostly anime/game RP. If there's contradictions in lore, we will follow the games, unless they aren't realistic (for example, the competency of police), then we'll go with the anime and tie it in to how they work in real life. Of course, you'll have every flavor under the rainbow when it comes to how police are, but at the end of the day, a high percentage of those police officers have to be competent enough to be on the force. Otherwise, they're getting paid to be idiots, and that doesn't work well in the real world either.
As for the Pokemon getting abused, I'm confused as to how nobody else found this out, unless there's a corrupted section of the Kanto police force. Pokemon indeed have their own autonomy and while some abused Pokemon wouldn't rat out their own owner if they feel like they are deserving of this or don't want to get themselves in anymore trouble (or get their owner in trouble if there is some Stockholm Syndrome), there are other Pokemon they would surely be around that would take notice and try to help them out and get their own humans into the mess. I'm surprised no other Pokemon found this out and tried to help their fellow comrade away from the bad police officer and get them caught with the help of their own humans and get the bad guy convicted. Unless this was an apparently new development, I don't know how abuse like that can happen long enough time unless every human/Pokemon they meet turn a blind eye, and not everyone is like that.
Most Growlithe (not just those with the police force) from what I've seen in the anime have a sense of right and wrong and I don't know if that's every Growlithe, but I'd like to think they have some basic human intelligence of a 10-year-old. Furthermore, Growlithe are inherently kind creatures, and they don't like seeing others they consider a part of their pack or allies suffer needlessly and will try to stop it. Since Growlithe have very powerful noses, it's almost certain they would almost notice something smells off and would get help.
I'm so confused. :'D
On to this, none of my characters would steal other people's Pokemon, but if one did, it's essentially like trying to befriend a wild Pokemon who just absolutely hates you. If Reggie ever got snag balls and was told it was to steal Pokemon from others, he'd never use them and likely turn them in. :'D He's not going to liberate a Pokemon from a person, he's going to get evidence and get those people convicted of a crime. He definitely doesn't have the mindset.
Small addition to Medic, despite her character not being on-board, I still think you should do it :v
Interactions like that, the differences in how each character views situations and whether they argue about it or what have you, that's kind of what makes the Rp an Rp. So by all means, horrify Reggie & Adrienne with the Snagem Balls, if anything you'll get a good interaction out of it.
Interactions like that, the differences in how each character views situations and whether they argue about it or what have you, that's kind of what makes the Rp an Rp. So by all means, horrify Reggie & Adrienne with the Snagem Balls, if anything you'll get a good interaction out of it.
Oh yeah, I wasn't trying to dissuade anyone. xD If it happens, it happens, and you'll get a funny reaction xD
In Pokemon Collesseum, Wes is a former member of Team Snagem, much like Kane and Josh. Why wouldn't the Pokemon he snags completely revolt against them, especially when you consider what you're saying later on, that Pokemon are individuals and are able to sense things like this?
How would Pokemon Rangers from the Pokemon Ranger game or movie work with this? From what i've seen, they've been able to catch Pokemon with ease and the Pokemon they've rounded up NEVER seem disobediant in any movie i've seen. Surely that would have to be limited too? Is that not another case of being overpowered? What i'm saying is that there's numerous examples of things that you'd have to limit in BOTH the games AND the anime/movies.
What then is the point of Poke Balls? What is the intention behind 'catching a Pokemon'? Surely then the only way to add a Pokemon to the party from that logic would be to befriend them without one, like how it's depicted trainers were thousands of years ago or in Legends: Arceus?
How would I go about doing that? What if the bond is incredibly weak? How would I know, especially if it's a character I created to fulfill a plot device like this?
Surely some Pokemon would question the disicipline of the police? Many of them want to be free after all and maybe Growlithe sympathised with a common goal that the former snagem pair had?
Really? I was under the impression there was mostly incompetent, especially in the anime. Maybe I watched a different version to you? Unless, of course, you are refering to Pokemon Generations?This is where the game and RP, a more 'realistic' setting diverge. For things like this, I especially favor the anime and shorts where much has changed to make the world less 'game-y' and more a living, breathing world. From the anime, we can see that the police force operates with at least some level of competency. In the shorts they aren't just sorta competent, they're incredibly competent—
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I do believe you'd have outliers that flake on duty but I can't stand by incompetent being the standard for the police force, not without very sufficient reason. This isn't on you specifically, I like to maintain at least a base level of stability and functionality by giving the RP Pokémon world some parallels to the real world. In order to do that, major systems like law enforcement need to be functional with decent checks and balances.
Unfortunately, I can't preempt every single way that pokémon might be used to corrupt real-world systems, but the most obvious ones should not and will not work in RP because they would've been used already and countermeasures would've been created. Obvious ones like using teleportation to steal. So many pokémon have access to the move that it must have been tried and countermeasures must have been created by now.
In Pokemon Generations and seperate versions of the anime, the police are actually organised and more competent. In the games and vanilla version of the anime, or at least in the version of the anime I saw with Ash and friends, the police do not seem too competent. The Team Rocket trio, an incredibly easy group to defeat, that has been bested by one or two explosive blasts from a ten year old's Pokemon, is sent blasting off. In the episodes I've seen, the police would comprise mainly of Officer Jennys, at least that's what the older episodes were like and then they were there as more of guard role, like the thirsty officers in the games. All the Looker stuff in the main anime appears to be exclusive to their Team Galactic operations in the Sinnoh arc and I'd doubt the international police would be in EVERY part of EVERY region. If they did, every criminal in the Pokemon world would be locked up and evil teams wouldn't exist...in fact young trainers depicted in BOTH the games and anime wouldn't be so heavily relied upon! When I wrote my post about the Kanto police officers, it was my intention to depict them like a local guard force, like the original Officer Jennys.
I was under the impression that those academies were fair and few, meaning there are only a few in the Pokemon world and that they are presitigious, meaning only a few can actually get through to them. To me, this meant that very few police officers recieved actual training, with the others being temporary positions or on-the-job training. Growlithe to me are like generic pokemon that are seen as tools by the force.
Plus, who's to say they are all at the same level? Surely some are better than others? There's always going to be the occassional lowsy officer that sleeps on the job or forgets to do something, like the real world, which is what the anime was almost leaning towards. Plus, the Kanto region is based on a specific part of Japan and, I don't know if you know, but in real Japan, the police face corruption allogations and foul play every day, which explains how Team Rocket were able to get away with their crimes. I wouldn't imagine much has changed!
Again, what's the point in Poke Balls and the capturing process, which involves the warm acceptance of trainers, if they are not going to work. Even in the games, it acknowledges that Pokemon will dissobey and then in the anime it even acknowledges that the trainer will have SOME control?
When you say 'justification', what do you intend for us to write, a paragraph explaining everything in Growlithe's head? What exactly are you looking for? A history of their usage and their dark backstory?
Also, should I be going back and editing or deleting my posts now? You have to remember that these were also plot devices and without them some of the reasons for doing things later on will be affected. I'm not sure what to do now.
This is Pokemon, a franchise where the most UNREALISTIC of things occur, battling and training monsters that would be incomprehensible to the main world. You literally have a muscular man that's wearing nothing but a wrestling belt with four arms able to punch THOUSANDS of times, you have LIVING SAND CASTLES that can be found on the beach, alien Pokemon FROM SPACE. Literally GOD-like Pokemon appearing to ten year olds and below and that's in BOTH media! There's SO many things that wouldn't work in real life, so many examples of things in BOTH the anime AND the games not being 'realistic', I don't think that's an argument.
And why should the anime take prescendent? Take the very first series. Ash and friends literally had guns pointed at them in one of the Safari Zone episodes and then you have the confusion regarding whether there are real animals in the Pokemon world or if Pokemon substitute them, which both seem to have been retconned. The anime has had a lot of questionable stuff over the years retconned or not shown!
As i've said before, the Kanto police force is specifically based on the real Japanese police force, which to this day is accused of corruption and mismanagment. There are numerous cases of murderers or criminals getting away with a plethora of unsolved cases. Many in the West do not know about this, so I would advise you to check out the Youtube channel 'Lazy Mansquerade' for more information about this!
You speak as if you know some sort of special anti-abuse procedure exists in the Kanto police force? If there is, I do not know of it. The Kanto police force have been corrupted MULTIPLE times before. Where is it explicitedly stated that the police forces in Pokemon have to treat their Pokemon with care?
In this specific instance, if you read my post, I made it clear that the Police Officer interrogating Kane and Josh chained the Growlithe up to the table because he thought that the dog pokemon would keep guard of them and prevent them from escaping. The officer was only gone for a few minutes. It's the equivilant of leaving your dog on it's lead or on a chain outside a store, which i've seen before where they chain it to the railing outside. The fact that the Growlithe was chained up gives the impression the guard didn't trust it to be free, which may reveal that he thought the Pokemon was to wild or free-spirited to let on it's own.
As i've explained before, since Growlithe are one of the most common Pokemon in the police force, I have presumed they were like 'drone' Pokemon like how evil teams have bundles of the same or similar type of Pokemon. Plus, if we're going by real world rules here then dogs can indeed be trained under a new owner.
I left it open-ended, so who's to say it ISN'T a new development?
Prehaps the answer would be to lay down some groundwork on NPCs. It would greatly help if @kyuukestu or whoever runs the RP threads in the future to control the NPCs and lay down what they are up to and what/what isn't exactly allowed. I know it's a lot of work, but it would prevent something like this from happening again, even if it's accidental, because I know there's gonna be others who just do this accidentally.
Prehaps some sort of worldwide event occurs where snag balls or something are condemned IN-RP? I don't know, i'm just throwing things out there. It's really hard to tell how people are going to react.
An Aggron seems like a big deal! What are Team C.E.L.L up to, like what's their goal and where are they based?
My plan for Josh and Kane was that they would somehow travel to Johto, but not before stopping off at Fuschia city one last time.
Is the Safari Zone in Fuschia in this timeline gone and moved to Johto? My plan was for Josh and Kane to stop off and for Josh to capture a Khanghaskhan that was from a previously unwritten part of his backstory!
Also, what do you mean by 'your C.E.L.L members'? Are Kane and Josh part of C.E.L.L or is it an acronym for all of the Orre organisations? Not sure what you mean!
Happy to clarify.
Team C.E.L.L began with the goal of making powerful Pokémon that would win any battle. Unlike Team Rocket, who dealt with genetics, C.E.L.L. took to experimenting with Battle Items. They invented X All, which is basically every Battle Items combined, and tested it on Pokémon. The drug temporarily raises accuracy, critical hit ratio, and all of the Pokémon's stats by two stages and prevents said Pokémon's stats from being lowered for five turns. However, Pokémon taking the X All drug become impossible to control.
C.E.L.L is a an acronym I came up with for a fictional company that originated in Sinnoh. It stands for the Center of Enhancement for Life and Limb. The company was started by Topaz who, in addition to creating addictive Pokémon enhancing drugs, also furthered the research of medicine. Before Charlotte exposed the dark side of his company, everyone thought he was a good guy. His lab was shut down, but he escaped imprisonment, since Charlotte basically had to break into his lab to get the evidence.
Now Topaz and his employees are trying to rebuild C.E.L.L in other parts of the world. The Aggron would be a warning for Charlotte and others not to get involved in his affairs.
I like the idea of adding to Josh's backstory. If you want, our teams don't even have to cross paths, I just thought I'd see if it would work.
I really like the sound of this! Definitely would be down for Kane and Josh moving to Johto and getting involved in C.E.L.L. Seems like the kind of thing they would do, since they have little way of discovering where Michiko is, maybe they go to Johto because it is nearby, believing she’s teleported to a nearby region and then they somehow chance upon C.E.L.L employees? This would result in them coming up with the idea of working their way up C.E.L.L in order to access more advanced technology that can help them track down their scientist friend!
What towns are C.E.L.L based in?
My original plan was to have some sort of event in the Safari Zone regarding Josh and a previous Pokemon he almost caught, a Khangaskhan. However, I’m now considering moving it over to the Johto region’s Safari Zone, if possible. This will make the translation more convenient. Unless someone says something, I’m gonna presume the status of the one in Fuschia City is the same as the one in the HGSS games!
Since I saw the discussion posts about the global Johto events (seems very busy lately), I’ll have Kane and Josh participate in them if they’re still around by the time they get there.
Sounds great!
I haven't given much thought to which particular towns/cities to be honest. Topaz called Charlotte and said that he'd be "on vacation" in Johto for a little while, so I expect Team C.E.L.L members to turn up at Ecruteak City at some point. They might establish a temporary base near the Lake of Rage too, just for the sake of irony. Really I need to think about what would make sense.
Villain Shenanigans?
Oh Boy, what are the goals of these teams? I have a Vigilante amongst my characters, and these evil teams could prompt the return of a Second.
Oh Boy, what are the goals of these teams? I have a Vigilante amongst my characters, and these evil teams could prompt the return of a Second.
If these are after what happened to Team Rocket in the Johto games, i'd imagine there's a large amount of open space where the grunts used to operate, especially in Mahogany Town, which casually now has an empty underground base that can be filled. Slowpoke Well would be looking empty at this time of year too!
Of course there are other unexplored areas or places not given much attention in the various media that could be interesting to fill up!
This is a game mechanic. This is explicitly a game mechanic.
Pokémon Rangers in the anime don't capture pokémon in the traditional sense and overpowering pokémon is against their ethos. The purpose of the capture stylus isn't to overpower pokémon but to befriend them, the stylus conveys feelings of friendship so the Ranger can request the pokémon's assistance to perform an action. And even this can fail if the pokémon is too rowdy, too powerful, or simply doesn't care to help. Capture Styluses can break or pokémon can interrupt the capture.
Putting these two together.
There are different ways to do so, you can indeed overpower and capture a wild pokémon, and unless they have a particularly strong reason to dislike or disobey you—see an example of disobedience in the anime—then they'd probably follow you. That is how pokémon tend to be. However, we aren't talking about a wild pokémon here but a pokémon who's had a trainer before. That is an explicit reason not to follow the next random person who gets their hands on their pokémon.
That's what I mean when I say you need to overcome the relationship between the pokémon and the previous trainer. See an example of any abandoned pokémon in the anime, like Ash's Charmander or Chimchar.
Putting these two together:
That is up to you as the writer in this scenario, I don't have any problem with your intentions, as I've said before, I just require the reasoning behind why a police pokémon would readily obey a thief. I'm just here to make sure it makes enough sense for my liking.
There are an uncountable number of ways to go about doing this: Police are abusive, Snag'em Balls exert some influence over pokémon, Growlithe personally desires something more than being a run-of-the-mill police dog, etc., etc. I can't cover the entire range of imaginative solutions to this and I won't try to, I only want there to be a reason and for it to make enough sense to satisfy me.
And if that is your express intention, go for it. As I mentioned before, if your angle was the Snagem grunts have an inherent goodness to them and the Officers were corrupt/abusive/whatever, if that Growlithe explicitly had a believable reason to follow the Snagem grunts over the Officers then I don't have a problem. I just wanted to hear the explanation.
As I noted, they're made analogous to the real world. So Police have a basic level of competence and strength that is required of them before they can be sent out into the field. You can't enforce the law if you aren't strong enough to, for example, put down a bad guy's Wurmple.
Just because the Academy isn't prestigious doesn't mean they wouldn't receive any training. They would all receive training, but the quality of that training would differ.
I don't mind there being outliers, officers that are corrupt, lazy, etc. and if that's the explanation you want to go with, that's perfectly fine. It just can't be the entire police force. Even in Japan, it's not like the vast majority of officers are corrupt and facing allegations, they literally would not have a functional police force if that were the case.
I require nothing of the sort here. You've already explained or at least implied, that your intent was for the Police Officer her to be corrupt and/or abusive towards his Growlithe, which satisfies my desire for an explanation.
Because I will not have wanton chaos in my RP, so I will enforce a certain level of realism on the lot of you. Yes, space aliens exist, and yes you can mystical beasts with the power to level mountains in the palm of your hand, there are many fantastical things about the world of pokémon and to ensure we can all enjoy them in the way we want to there are some limitations in place.
It's the same reason Charms has global rules, despite every 10-year-old in games bumbling their way to a legendary encounter and capture, it won't happen as easily on Charms because the mods don't want to see it. Likewise, I don't want to see things that compromise the World at large, or more exactly 'IF you're going to compromise the world at large then work for it in RP', and if that means writing up backstory or something to achieve what you want, absolutely, go for it, I love to see it.
The folks over in Kalos have written a couple of pages of backstory and lore for the entire region with criminal families, back-alley wars, etc. to explain why their police force is as corrupt as it is, so much so that one OC got shot and sold into slavery by the police commissioner. And hey, if that's your prerogative then pop off, have fun. My stance is that if Police of all people are going to be shooting and enslaving Ocs, then you'd better have a damn good reason for it because that obviously can't be the standard for Police conduct without due explanation.
Once you've provided such an explanation though? If it's satisfying, go for it. Be duly careful, of course, because other RPers have a less corrupting influence in the writing and may go out of their way to bring you to justice or just not play along. For those situations, you'd need to communicate your intentions and what have you.
Tl;Dr: If an OC starts murdering people in the middle of the street cause 'why not', the police are going to try and arrest them. Generally, if you violate common sense laws, there are going to be consequences unless an explanation is provided.
Because the anime provides the most expansive world and setting for the RP. I also personally prefer it, that's why the anime takes precedence on matters of how the RP world functions.
Anime inconsistencies are to be rectified in RP by the decision of us, the Rpers. So guns do exist in RP, but are difficult to obtain. Normal animals do exist because some people aren't comfortable with the idea of eating pokémon who are practically sentient. However, if you wanna eat pokémon then go ahead, that's seen as acceptable as well. Difference Rpers & Ocs might be shocked and appalled, but that's your prerogative.
Unsolved criminal cases, corruption, mismanagement, etc. that is the case of all police forces across the world. Law isn't perfect, bad people manage to make their way into positions of power.
I do not have a problem with that being reflected in RP, I will once again emphasize that these should be outliers and not the standard for police conduct.
I am telling you, right now, explicitly, that pokémon abuse will be treated as a crime, akin to animal abuse. It can still happen, as it does in real life, but there will be consequences if discovered and so much like real crime, the average person will either not do it, or try not to get caught doing it. Openly abuse will not be the norm.
To re-iterate once more, this sort of thing is okay as an outlier, but not as the standard for police conduct.
I'll just say once more, that if that is your express intent as the writer of this scene then I don't really take issue. That's a valid enough explanation as far as I'm concerned. However, going forward, things that would commonly be seen as crimes: abuse, neglect, etc. should be less overt.
There is an entire glossary of how the world functions in RP and it grows and grows as we encounter new things we need to address. I'm sure the link is somewhere in the thread and somewhere in the discord as well, I'll share it in a moment once I find it.
The fact is that it's impossible to think of every single accidental way of compromising the world, so we just take it as we go along. If something comes up, we'll discuss it, put it up to a vote if anything, and then keep on our merry way.
Snagem balls wouldn't have seen much use in the likes of the main regions so they're mostly unknown to the average folk, however, if they're found out then yes, there would be a worldwide condemnation.
Max, I don't know if you're being condescending on purpose, or just flabbergasted and agitated, or what but it doesn't come off very well. :'D Especially with the exclamation marks making it sound like you're legit yelling at me. I don't know if it's something I said that offended you or the tone you perceived, so I'm going to apologize regardless. But I'm still going to give you my impartial take as you did bring up some good points while also misinterpreting what I meant.
When I mean by tying in stuff in the real world, there may be some changes with respect to the setting we are inserting this stuff in. I, personally, don't like putting something realistic in a fantasy setting, only to realize it's not actually realistic considering the setting I just put it in, so when we do real world tie-ins, Kyuukestu does his best to respectfully make things realistic given the settings we're working with. Not all humans are going for preventive measures, of course, but the step to a competent agency is to take preventive measures and actions to ensure safety and smooth functioning. Without it, corruption can ensue. We like to think the police force - no matter the region or real world counterparts - is better than that, especially after essentially a decade after Team Rocket's shenanigans.
That doesn't mean you can't go into detail about corrupting the police force in Kanto though, so if you want to, you can.
And, yes, guns do exist, but at a far lesser rate. You may be able to get away with seeing them more often in Unova (as it is based in New York), but the process of legally owning one is very difficult and since they aren't as manufactured as much as it is in our world, they're still a rarity. Still, poachers and hunters may have their own guns to give them an edge in a fight against Pokemon and humans alike (some RPers, including myself, have made mention of guns used by poachers and hunters).
Kyuukestu has also decided to allow other real world animals to exist as some of our RPers don't like the thought of killing Pokemon to eat them (whether it's to sustain humans or Pokemon alike). However, they might not ever get a focus as they are a means to ensure the RPers we have don't get squicked when they are just trying to play a game, so that's pretty much one of the few times we'll change things from how the source intended it and not really delve too much into it. It's literally there to help with suspension of disbelief and the comfort of our RPers, who just want a more light-hearted experience in their own arcs of the RP. However, if you still want your character to eat Pokemon, go ahead. :3 I make mention of it, too, lol.
If you want the police force of Saffron to be corrupted though, all we would like is some explanation and a reason for it existing. We aren't against it, we - like Kyuukestu said (as the post just sent on my end, ugh) - just don't want it being the standard conduct. Outliers can exist. We have a whole thing going on in Kalos one of our RPers have where there's going to be a civil war that'll happen for 3 days during the latter end of the year in-RP time due to some corruption and shenanigans with a royal gang family or something of the sorts. However, you'd still need to show them having some base competency in hiding what they're doing or having a plausible way of denying allegations without evidence proving to the contrary if the entire police force isn't already compromised (and to avoid other goody two-shoes agencies from knowing about it, which expunging records is a good way to do that). A plot device only works if it's able to be logically allowed within the confines of the world we're playing with.
If the Saffron City police force is compromised however, given Sabrina would also aid in the security efforts of the city, I don't know how long they can keep that up without her finding out about this through her mind reading. Granted, she'd need a plausible reason for digging into people's brains, so if they can keep it away from her, then hell yeah, go for it.
I don't know the logistics of any Pokemon being allowed into the police force without prior training as they would need to be brought up with procedures in mind, but if you want to portray corruption in the police force, showing that (as you have) is a good start as it shows not every Pokemon is vetted, which could mean those Pokemon could be alienated from the rest of the work force and could be abused or neglected easier as it would be harder for the Pokemon to understand what is right or wrong. While it wouldn't stop other people and Pokemon from seeing the mistreatment or sensing something is off, it does make this less likely for them to report it, whether due to some already stated corruption or because they literally can't see it.
When I say realistic, I'm not talking about the Pokemon side of it, but the human side of the Pokemon world. I'm talking about the logic behind how a human would work within the universe they're given, not the Pokemon or the setting themselves. Yes, this is a fantasy setting, but this setting's base human competency should be realistic to our own (though given the current climate of today's day and age, it's safe to say the humans in the Pokemon world (if they aren't literal children and even then) would have a bit more common sense than the humans in our world do just based on how mature and responsible most people would have to be not to die if they go out in the Pokemon world and do dumb shit).
When I mean by tying in stuff in the real world, there may be some changes with respect to the setting we are inserting this stuff in. I, personally, don't like putting something realistic in a fantasy setting, only to realize it's not actually realistic considering the setting I just put it in, so when we do real world tie-ins, Kyuukestu does his best to respectfully make things realistic given the settings we're working with. Not all humans are going for preventive measures, of course, but the step to a competent agency is to take preventive measures and actions to ensure safety and smooth functioning. Without it, corruption can ensue. We like to think the police force - no matter the region or real world counterparts - is better than that, especially after essentially a decade after Team Rocket's shenanigans.
That doesn't mean you can't go into detail about corrupting the police force in Kanto though, so if you want to, you can.
That's the first series. The first series was wishy-washy and didn't fully know the direction they were taking. They were wanting Ash's journey to end after his stint in Johto, but they ended up continuing it much further than that, so they had to be more consistent. The first series is bound to have problems and conjectures, so we're not going to base our realism from those problems specifically. If there's a problem in the lore, we tend to discuss it in the discord and in this thread, and then we come to the consensus.
And, yes, guns do exist, but at a far lesser rate. You may be able to get away with seeing them more often in Unova (as it is based in New York), but the process of legally owning one is very difficult and since they aren't as manufactured as much as it is in our world, they're still a rarity. Still, poachers and hunters may have their own guns to give them an edge in a fight against Pokemon and humans alike (some RPers, including myself, have made mention of guns used by poachers and hunters).
Kyuukestu has also decided to allow other real world animals to exist as some of our RPers don't like the thought of killing Pokemon to eat them (whether it's to sustain humans or Pokemon alike). However, they might not ever get a focus as they are a means to ensure the RPers we have don't get squicked when they are just trying to play a game, so that's pretty much one of the few times we'll change things from how the source intended it and not really delve too much into it. It's literally there to help with suspension of disbelief and the comfort of our RPers, who just want a more light-hearted experience in their own arcs of the RP. However, if you still want your character to eat Pokemon, go ahead. :3 I make mention of it, too, lol.
They are, yes. However, it's also 8 years after the events of Sword and Shield (and subsequently some 6 odd years after the events of Scarlet and Violet if we are to assume SV is a couple years after SwSh). Even if this wasn't the intention of the source, this is how Kyuukestu would like the police force (and other government-instated agencies) to function as it would make more logical sense. Otherwise, everyone could get away with everything if they so wished, which wouldn't be conducive to a working region and would tear it down faster than they can keep themselves standing because of how awful mankind can be (if they see something they can exploit, they will). I would assume any incompetency or corruption has been rooted out to a fair degree in most, if not all, police agencies to avoid the problems they've faced before with crime teams, especially ones in huge cities as they are the biggest targets for corruption. While it isn't impossible for the corruption to get worse, they aren't as bad since the day of Team Rocket's second disbandment and would need some kind of catalyst to get them as bad again.
If you want the police force of Saffron to be corrupted though, all we would like is some explanation and a reason for it existing. We aren't against it, we - like Kyuukestu said (as the post just sent on my end, ugh) - just don't want it being the standard conduct. Outliers can exist. We have a whole thing going on in Kalos one of our RPers have where there's going to be a civil war that'll happen for 3 days during the latter end of the year in-RP time due to some corruption and shenanigans with a royal gang family or something of the sorts. However, you'd still need to show them having some base competency in hiding what they're doing or having a plausible way of denying allegations without evidence proving to the contrary if the entire police force isn't already compromised (and to avoid other goody two-shoes agencies from knowing about it, which expunging records is a good way to do that). A plot device only works if it's able to be logically allowed within the confines of the world we're playing with.
If the Saffron City police force is compromised however, given Sabrina would also aid in the security efforts of the city, I don't know how long they can keep that up without her finding out about this through her mind reading. Granted, she'd need a plausible reason for digging into people's brains, so if they can keep it away from her, then hell yeah, go for it.
I don't, that's just the logical course of action I can see it taking. There might not be an anti-abuse procedure, but I wouldn't be surprised if there is. Abuse of a Pokemon is a felony on par with the abuse of an animal (I don't know how hard Kyuu wants this to carry, but considering most Pokemon have some base intelligence of a human child, it's safe to say it's a higher sentence than what we have for animals in the real world). It's literally within the law they have to abide by and enforce, as well. If a Growlithe had to be taught in the academy before it can be made into a police dog (as all K-9 units should be trained with their human partners in how to do procedures and identify illegal substances), and if a Growlithe's intelligence is based off a 10-year-old human, then it's likely that a Growlithe can attain some understanding of what should be right or wrong (especially if it's mistreatment of themselves or others of their own kind).
I don't know the logistics of any Pokemon being allowed into the police force without prior training as they would need to be brought up with procedures in mind, but if you want to portray corruption in the police force, showing that (as you have) is a good start as it shows not every Pokemon is vetted, which could mean those Pokemon could be alienated from the rest of the work force and could be abused or neglected easier as it would be harder for the Pokemon to understand what is right or wrong. While it wouldn't stop other people and Pokemon from seeing the mistreatment or sensing something is off, it does make this less likely for them to report it, whether due to some already stated corruption or because they literally can't see it.
I mean, that's pretty dubious. XD While leaving a dog on a chain is rather uncomfortable, it doesn't constitute abuse unless you're literally neglecting them. However, the implications of such could be misconstrued as abuse, or be taken as abuse by the Pokemon in question. If it's too wild or not trained properly, I can see why it would be chained, but I don't know if that would be abuse in an objective standpoint (it is definitely subjective though, especially to someone on the outside looking in lol). If it's explainable and reasonable, I'm fine with it and I'm sure Kyuukestu's fine with it unless explicitly stated otherwise.
Ummm... Since we've seen the police force utilize other Pokemon (stronger variants of Growlithe, Arcanine, Spinarak and Ariados, I would imagine Gengar and Dusclops for their ability to phase through walls, etc), it's safe to say they'd have a greater variety. Having said that, since you're portraying the police force in Saffron as corrupted and the Growlithe are literally just next door, I agree with what you're saying.
You did leave it open, which is why I wasn't sure to begin with and wanted to clarify lol.
My only issue with focusing on the anime, as i've said before, is that it contradicts itself many times. I know the games do but at least there in built mechanics of physics that do also help explain why it isn't possible to do certain things. I often find myself questioning the logic of the anime. I don't think, regarding all RPs actually, that we should be using purely anime-based logic to look at how people would react, because even then, the anime still doesn't represent a 'realistic' view of the Pokemon world. This is why I also turn to outside sources within the games like the Orre duology or the Pokemon Ranger games.
What if that 'previous trainer' is an npc-style background character or one that would be difficult to make a judgement on as to acertain what actually the relationship was like? How are we supposed to make that decision on our own? What if it was non-existant? I feel like there should be some more specific guidelines.
You'd think you'd be able to tell that from my post. The police officer LITERALLY chained thagt Growlithe to the table. What does that imply?
It wasn't my intention to enforce the idea that the ENTIRITY of the Kanto Police Force was corrupt, just that there were one or two bad eggs.
If read what I wrote, I tried to put emphasis on the one police officer, meaning it's possible the rest of the force is okay and in the condition you described.
Most likely what would happened after the two grunts flee the scene is that extensive search parties are looking for them, but you'd bet that there would be some sort of mini-scandal or AT LEAST an investigation into corruption or incompetency in that part of the force. I'm imagining the officer who had the Growlithe would be sacked. In fact, that does give an interest opportunity for a new character in the future...
I'm certainly not going to have Josh use Growlithe or at least too often in the future. My plan was that the snag was merely a plot device in the moment and then maybe the snagged Pokemon is removed from his party. Not sure how the people of Saffron City would take to him 'selling' off the Growlithe though...
Oh i'm aware of this. In fact, if it causes more interaction with player characters, i'm here for it. I need a way of jumping in.
Fair enough. So long as I don't get swamped, I'm happy discussing things.
I apologise if I sounded like I was going on the offensive or attacking or rude or anything to you guys. I just felt a bit swamped with the legnth of the replies. Frankly, I only expected Kyuukestu to flag up the issue or go after me. I didn't expect ANOTHER to write another lengthy post for me to try and sit through lol. I'm autistic, so I sometimes find it challenging to understand the tone of the post or get the overall message someone is trying to say. It IS the internet after all and tone and voice can be lost in translation. My apologies!
I see you've tried to sound more jokey afterwards which I appreciate.
Yeah, I see now. I just kind of hoped for some sort of guidlines or what some websites or discord servers do where NPCs are controlled by the central authority that created the RP.
Yeah, the first series contradicted itself ALL THE TIME. That's why I tried to flag it up and funnily enough that's most people's experience with the anime.
I see about the point regarding the eating and killing of real world animals. This one actually suprised me, since I always assumed real animals existing in the Pokemon world was written over and people just ate Pokemon.
I actually didn't know about any of this when I wrote my post. I wonder what the sentence would be? And what counts as abuse? Best not to go into it, now I that I think about...
Maybe? But then if the reason the Growlithe is on a chain does that not warrant the discussion that maybe that Pokemon should be free? Like, that would be a prime reason why Growlithe WOULD obey Josh's orders. I've tried to explain that it was only one order though.
Hopefully, we can move forward from this discussion. In the future, I'll be sure to talk to Kyuukestu about stuff I want to do and i'm DEFINITELY getting rid of that Growlithe lol!
No worries, it happens. I even contradict myself sometimes without realizing it.
Case by Case, we patch out these contradictions as we discover them. If you think of any feel free to share them. I do mean to create an extensive guideline for this, it's just a lot to cover so it's been taking some time.
For major NPCs: Gym leaders, existing characters, etc. pitch the idea in the discussion thread first. Generally, some discussion will take place and then we can all agree on a judgment.
For characters you create as NPCs, you're largely free to do whatever you'd like.
Implications are what they are, that's why when I brought it up I was inviting you to tell me more about the situation, to confirm what you were implying in RP.
We're on the same page here, so there's no issue.
Then go for I and have fun lel
I don't really mind either way as long as some explanation is given, one that makes sense. It might be hard to sell off a former police dog without drawing attention.
Glad we're on the same page. I do think you've covered all my concerns though, so have fun o7
Pokeballs are more of a commodity to ease the transport of pokémon. Rather than walking around with 6 pokémon out, you just put them all on your belt or bag, and you're good to go. They provide confort by simulating a friendly environment to the pokémon inside (also incentivizing the pokémon to actualy stay in the ball), as well as safety, since the pokemon can't be hurt at all even if the ball gets destroyed (at which point it gets released). Lastly, they're a measure against theft, since the captured pokémon sort of becomes "tagged" by that pokeball so that other balls don't work on it (Note that this is different in the games, where the NPC trainer is actualy the one blocking the ball). It doesn't prevent the ball itself from being stolen, but considering that pokémon can jump out of their balls whenever they want, that's a risky method.
Now, they limit the power of the pokémon contained which, to an extent, tames them. But as it was shown many times, they don't force pokemon to obey the person who captured them. In fact, in the first movie, Mewtwo uses a special type of pokeball that is capable of capturing trainers' pokémon (even capture the balls outright), which is the closest the anime gets to Snag balls. And yet, none of those pokémon seem to obey him once they're out. I also think that, if they outright "brainwashed" the pokémon, the League wouldn't even allow people to use pokeballs in the first place.
One interesting detail in Legends Arceus is that, when you first capture a pokémon and then send it out into the open, for the first few times, it will act aggressively towards the player. They don't suddenly act nice towards you. So it can be assumed that, just like animals in real life have learned to cohexist with humans, so did pokémon, to the point where most of them are willing to work with humans and follow their commands, provided they're worthy/strong enough to capture them first (or just befriend them).
As for the presense of real animals in the Pokemon world, back in the day, there weren't enough pokémon to represent all animals. However, they've been retconing them as more species are designed. Raichu's dex entry which made reference to indian elephants was retconned to Copperajah, since it's the pokemon equivalent. If Season 1 was remade today, the fish that show up in the S.S. Anne episode would most likely be replaced by Wishiwashi or some other small fish-like pokemon.
Now, they limit the power of the pokémon contained which, to an extent, tames them. But as it was shown many times, they don't force pokemon to obey the person who captured them. In fact, in the first movie, Mewtwo uses a special type of pokeball that is capable of capturing trainers' pokémon (even capture the balls outright), which is the closest the anime gets to Snag balls. And yet, none of those pokémon seem to obey him once they're out. I also think that, if they outright "brainwashed" the pokémon, the League wouldn't even allow people to use pokeballs in the first place.
One interesting detail in Legends Arceus is that, when you first capture a pokémon and then send it out into the open, for the first few times, it will act aggressively towards the player. They don't suddenly act nice towards you. So it can be assumed that, just like animals in real life have learned to cohexist with humans, so did pokémon, to the point where most of them are willing to work with humans and follow their commands, provided they're worthy/strong enough to capture them first (or just befriend them).
As for the presense of real animals in the Pokemon world, back in the day, there weren't enough pokémon to represent all animals. However, they've been retconing them as more species are designed. Raichu's dex entry which made reference to indian elephants was retconned to Copperajah, since it's the pokemon equivalent. If Season 1 was remade today, the fish that show up in the S.S. Anne episode would most likely be replaced by Wishiwashi or some other small fish-like pokemon.
That would actualy come in handy for me tbh. It's hard for me to justify Rick going back to Cianwood for any Safari Zone event just for a monetary prize 5 days from the current time I'm at, especialy since he can accomplish the same thing with the Pokeathlon which is much closer. But if it's an incident like that, it should call his interest (especialy since he already knows the League pays trainers who help dealing with those).
Hello, fellow writers! I hope the intrusion isn't minded but I've recently come back to the site after a looooong lack of activity (and a multi year hiatus from role-playing in general). I've been reading up on this rp both here and in the active thread, as it's one of the largest and most active ones at the current moment, and I was wondering if it's open to new additions? If so, I'd love to join in! I have a few ideas for characters, and am fine with starting fresh or brainstorming a fair way to "catch up" my character to the current status quo of the rp if accepted. Thanks for any consideration, stay blessed all!♥
Always open to new members! Feel free to join the discord to chat or just drop the character bio you have in mind.
I have 6 characters active currently.
I have two ideas, one of them is a pair of siblings. If multiple characters are allowed, I'd love to play them but if not I will drop a single character sheet.
Multiple characters should be allowed. :3 I have 4 instances of the same character (3 in this thread, 1 in another) due to wanting to RP her at different points in time at different places, and I have 3 characters in total.
Go right on ahead o7
I have Siblings in the RP as well, Laura Adrianna Lana "Lana" Argentston and Emmaline Marissa "Emma" Argentston.