Private/Closed Fiction Crossover

[StormingCobra]

I did kinda think it would’ve been cool to do a World of Light scenario, though. Would’ve been fun to fight the corrupted characters to bring them back.

 

[comic]

I did kinda think it would’ve been cool to do a World of Light scenario, though. Would’ve been fun to fight the corrupted characters to bring them back.

yeah, i'm still on board for something like this, and would love to do it before i kill off Sans.

 

[Godjacob]

Compared to a robot entirely capable of wiping out humanity on a multiversal scale within a week and a scientist who's personal reality is in flux as he conducts experiments that affect literally everything?
Yeah.
Specter's a joke.

Heh, I guess I am a bit biased towards Gaster now, Godjacob. But you know how resistant I was towards him earlier. He's warmed up to me as I've thought more about what's going to happen with him. In the end, Gaster will still lose, and in all honesty I think I know how he will. He does have a really big weakness, after all.

Just saying insulting another RPers character like this and constantly not even willing to try to take him seriously leads to Shen doing things like the Flynn thing which creates problems. Quite frankly the atmosphere here is far from appealing and I don't like this bias in one antagonist over the other.

Makes things less fun. And I am growing sick of this attitude here.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

Compared to a robot entirely capable of wiping out humanity on a multiversal scale within a week and a scientist who's personal reality is in flux as he conducts experiments that affect literally everything?
Yeah.
Specter's a joke.

I’m sick of everyone hampering on him saying that he’s a weakling and a joke before he’s even done anything himself! The bias here is clearer than crystal and really saps my motivation. It’s becoming a constant battle for me to keep Specter seem strong but no matter what I do you’ll just spatter that he’s weak and pathetic. I’m starting to doubt the point of even bringing him in if he’s just going to receive these Type of comments this whole time...

 

[Mechanist Gamma]

I mean I'm just saying. Specter's no pushover, sure, but compared to the other main villains... Specter is a fun challenge for Team Hiro, but he really wouldn't last for long in the RP as a major threat. His power set isn't built to rival major villains on a multiversal level, and making it so that it was would be unfaithful to the original character. Z only works as he does because he was already designed to be a threat on a multiversal level since his conceptualization, otherwise he'd only be around for a short while. Malos is a very intimidating villain, the main antagonist of Xenoblade 2 and one of my personal favorites, but in relation to the other characters here he's just not that strong. I'm not saying strength is everything, but Z, Gaster and likely Zeliyis trump Specter in almost every category. Sorry, Shen, but Specter just doesn't have what it takes to be a villain across the multiverse. His attitude and goals is what I'd name as the key factor for that, honestly, but while his power set is good it's not on the same level as the other major villains.

 

[Godjacob]

I mean I'm just saying. Specter's no pushover, sure, but compared to the other main villains... Specter is a fun challenge for Team Hiro, but he really wouldn't last for long in the RP as a major threat. His power set isn't built to rival major villains on a multiversal level, and making it so that it was would be unfaithful to the original character. Z only works as he does because he was already designed to be a threat on a multiversal level since his conceptualization, otherwise he'd only be around for a short while. Malos is a very intimidating villain, the main antagonist of Xenoblade 2 and one of my personal favorites, but in relation to the other characters here he's just not that strong. I'm not saying strength is everything, but Z, Gaster and likely Zeliyis trump Specter in almost every category. Sorry, Shen, but Specter just doesn't have what it takes to be a villain across the multiverse. His attitude and goals is what I'd name as the key factor for that, honestly, but while his power set is good it's not on the same level as the other major villains.

Doesn't give you or Comic the right to keep shitting on him and calling him a joke in the discussion. And I thought the point of this was to "balance" OP characters like that so they don't create these problems? Seems Shen is being punished for using an unconventional character he likes and having the audacity to try and make him somewhat of a threat by you guys just cause he isn't as "OP" as Gaster or Z or whatever.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

I mean I'm just saying. Specter's no pushover, sure, but compared to the other main villains... Specter is a fun challenge for Team Hiro, but he really wouldn't last for long in the RP as a major threat. His power set isn't built to rival major villains on a multiversal level, and making it so that it was would be unfaithful to the original character. Z only works as he does because he was already designed to be a threat on a multiversal level since his conceptualization, otherwise he'd only be around for a short while. Malos is a very intimidating villain, the main antagonist of Xenoblade 2 and one of my personal favorites, but in relation to the other characters here he's just not that strong. I'm not saying strength is everything, but Z, Gaster and likely Zeliyis trump Specter in almost every category. Sorry, Shen, but Specter just doesn't have what it takes to be a villain across the multiverse. His attitude and goals is what I'd name as the key factor for that, honestly, but while his power set is good it's not on the same level as the other major villains.

Look, I’m not saying specter can crush a multiverse or anything. But your literally laughing in my face and callings specter a joke. He shouldn’t have to be OP to be respected, and even if he wasn’t OP, he wouldn’t be respected. it’s a no win scenario.

 

[comic]

hey, guys, chillax. in case you haven't noticed, i've been pretty reasonable today. i'm in a good mood and willing to have a productive conversation.
we've already established some parts of the sequel. no, Gaster is not stupidly overpowered. okay, well, he's still pretty op, but anybody in this rp could take the crystals and do what he will with them. just because he's doing it doesn't make him some kind of impossible god.
Gaster will eventually fall, like any villain does, and as Eevee said, most, if not all, of the events that happens can be reversed, especially in light of further sequels.
i'm just trying to be fair guys, i'm trying to tone down the raw power of infinity that gaster could hypothetically possess. i'm trying to make it so that everyone can enjoy this. no more extinction event. not everybody has to die anymore.
now, i haven't said one bad thing about Specter today, and i don't plan to. i just said i wouldn't compare him to Gaster, and that's a pretty reasonable thing to say.
now compare Negan to Gaster. see? you can't. there's just such a massive, over bearing difference between the two.
though Negan and Specter actually share some charisma skills...

 

[Mechanist Gamma]

Okay, the reason I joke about Specter is because I think he's a shithead personality-wise. In terms of actual plot relevance, he just doesn't have what he needs to be a big bad. Specter can be a fun character for events like we have now, but I can't see him being a major player past the Specter's Ship arc. He's a good villain to bring a group together, like Loki, but when it really counts for major plot and titanic events that move the story forwards he doesn't have the same kind of influence that other villains do. That's why I'm going to have Cooler eventually turn sides, because I think he'd be far more interesting and useful as a reluctant hero and can justify why I'm doing it while keeping him accurate to the original character. But I can't see Specter doing that himself, nor can I see him becoming a major player in the Z Arc. The Zeliyis arc MAYBE if he gets his hands on Zeliyis tech or something, but at the moment I just don't see potential for him past Marseilles. But please, Specter. What would you do with him in the future? Where would you want him to go? How would he contribute as a villain?

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

Specter is still in the top 10%, Maybe 5% of characters as far as power in this RP roughly. If he’s a weakling, everyone else under him is too.

He’s more than just mindless power too. He has much more to his character than just that. From his intellect, Theatrical way of progressing, and as comic stated: his charisma. I hate all of this being categorized as something ‘pathetic’ it just really grinds my gears

 

[Mechanist Gamma]

I get that, Shen, and it's why I still have respect for Specter as a character. But please, answer my question. How can he remain relevant after being defeated by Team Hiro? What can he contribute?

 

[comic]

it just really grinds my gears

 

[Godjacob]

Okay, the reason I joke about Specter is because I think he's a shithead personality-wise. In terms of actual plot relevance, he just doesn't have what he needs to be a big bad. Specter can be a fun character for events like we have now, but I can't see him being a major player past the Specter's Ship arc. He's a good villain to bring a group together, like Loki, but when it really counts for major plot and titanic events that move the story forwards he doesn't have the same kind of influence that other villains do. That's why I'm going to have Cooler eventually turn sides, because I think he'd be far more interesting and useful as a reluctant hero and can justify why I'm doing it while keeping him accurate to the original character. But I can't see Specter doing that himself, nor can I see him becoming a major player in the Z Arc. The Zeliyis arc MAYBE if he gets his hands on Zeliyis tech or something, but at the moment I just don't see potential for him past Marseilles. But please, Specter. What would you do with him in the future? Where would you want him to go? How would he contribute as a villain?

Honestly I like Specter the most out of all the antagonists. I find Z to be quite boring so far and doesn't seem interesting. But that doesn't make Z a joke by any stretch of the imagination.

But as far as relevance goes, well I did toss my own pair of villains into the mix. Maybe if I have them go to the Warzone world first after the meeting with Zeliyis Specter can be considered brought in as an "ally" to suit Kyuseishu's needs. Who knows, but I do think tech villains never have to worry about their place as they can always work on a new invention to stay relevant.

I just hate the fact that Shen's character gets crapped on every day by you guys. More so than any other.

 

[Mechanist Gamma]

...well shit, then I haven't been giving Z enough dialogue. His interactions with Dracula and Malos should change that...

That's a good idea actually, Godjacob. If Specter joins up with Kyuiseishu, he could help them out with... whatever they're doing, I'm not actually sure what the plot for them is. It's something for Specter to do, at least.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

Specter can be a fun character for events like we have now, but I can't see him being a major player past the Specter's Ship arc. He's a good villain to bring a group together, like Loki, but when it really counts for major plot and titanic events that move the story forwards he doesn't have the same kind of influence that other villains do

Even Loki took part in half of the avengers movies and had two infinity stones in his possession for a while. He was a momumentus character, even if he wasn’t OP like thanos. You don’t need to be OP to be a good character.

But please, Specter. What would you do with him in the future? Where would you want him to go? How would he contribute as a villain?

I actually do have an extended list of potential plans for him, and I’ve put some heavy thought into this. @Godjacob should know whenever I introduced a character, especially and evil one, I have details plans. It would be boring if I just told you, that would remove the suspense factor

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

Honestly I like Specter the most out of all the antagonists. I find Z to be quite boring so far and doesn't seem interesting. But that doesn't make Z a joke by any stretch of the imagination.

But as far as relevance goes, well I did toss my own pair of villains into the mix. Maybe if I have them go to the Warzone world first after the meeting with Zeliyis Specter can be considered brought in as an "ally" to suit Kyuseishu's needs. Who knows, but I do think tech villains never have to worry about their place as they can always work on a new invention to stay relevant.

I just hate the fact that Shen's character gets crapped on every day by you guys. More so than any other.

If I recall, you proposed an idea that brought that keyblade(amongst other weapons) wielder to aid specter’s side, although we were waiting until this section of specter’s plot began to wrap up, same with metal sonic

 

[Godjacob]

I actually do have an extended list of potential plans for him, and I’ve put some heavy thought into this. @Godjacob should know whenever I introduced a character, especially and evil one, I have details plans. It would be boring if I just told you, that would remove the suspense factor

With that said, would you be open to a team up with our villains?

 

[comic]

so...
has the Gaster discussion ended?
did i provide what you wanted to hear, or is there more you would like to have insight on? because i'm feelin' pretty great today, so any talk with me is bound to be as reasonable as i can make it.
also, @Shen: Ghost Gym Leader sorry for my attitude yesterday. i had a head-ache, and was unhappy with my day. when that happens, it's best i probably don't get online, but i still did. again, sorry. pretty sure i came off as pretty conceded and condescending.

 

[Mechanist Gamma]

*sigh*
I'm not calling Specter a bad character.
I'm saying he's not an effective main villain for an RP like this.
And your tendency to tell us literally nothing doesn't help...
Trust me, I understand. I like to keep my plans under wraps as well. But when they're big events involving tons of characters, I reveal them all. Ahead of time to those who need to know, as well.
And without knowing what Specter's going to do, we have no idea if it'll add to the main storyline or just flat-out break it.
I have Z's story arc planned out, but I've fit the Halo story and the Zeliyis events into it as well. If Specter doing his own shit is going to be a thing as well, please PM at least Comic and I about it so we can discuss where it can fit and work alongside the other stories.
Because otherwise... we're just going to have a repeat of the beginning of the RP, and like Burble said, it took a LOT of work to clean that up into a cohesive story.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

And without knowing what Specter's going to do, we have no idea if it'll add to the main storyline or just flat-out break it.

No one knew what Loki would do either in the movies, and that brought most of the intrigue to his character. If everyone knew what he’d do, interest in him would greatly decrease. Plus it’s not how I operate, my plans are deeply rooted and I fear they would be unearthed once revealed.

With that said, would you be open to a team up with our villains?

That’s a distinct possibility

so...
has the Gaster discussion ended?
did i provide what you wanted to hear, or is there more you would like to have insight on? because i'm feelin' pretty great today, so any talk with me is bound to be as reasonable as i can make it.
also, @Shen: Ghost Gym Leader sorry for my attitude yesterday. i had a head-ache, and was unhappy with my day. when that happens, it's best i probably don't get online, but i still did. again, sorry. pretty sure i came off as pretty conceded and condescending.

Oh well your forgiven, I know that could be. Glad that’s put to rest

 

[Mechanist Gamma]

...
You know who knew all along what Loki's plans were?
The people creating the movie.
Characters and writers aren't the same, Shen. Snake's death has just as much of an impact even if we all know it's coming.

 

[StormingCobra]

Alright guys. Everyone is introducing new OP villains and I feel threatened. So in the sequel, I CLAIM GALEEM. EVERYTHING WILL DIE!

jkjk.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

...
You know who knew all along what Loki's plans were?
The people creating the movie.
Characters and writers aren't the same, Shen. Snake's death has just as much of an impact even if we all know it's coming.

Regardless, my point still stands. If a unpredictable character becomes predictable, their intrigue and value go down drastically

 

[comic]

Regardless, my point still stands. If a unpredictable character becomes predictable, their intrigue and value go down drastically

i see where you're coming from Shen, but i also see where Eevee is coming from, too.
so... hm...
look at it like this...
let's say i never brought up the Gaster Extinction Event. i just kept it under wraps, waiting to use it.
then i do. say i just have Gaster do all this stuff, interfering with everybody's stories, and everybody's arcs straight out of the blue.
that wouldn't be very fun, and i'm sure you agree.
but because i presented it, i was given criticism, and i discussed this. because of this, the GEE has transformed into what it is now, and it may continue to morph until it's used, and while it does, you can bet i'll keep all of you posted on it.
why? because it's better that way. leaving other roleplayers in the dark, especially in a community like Charms, really wrecks the plot. your plans might interfere with ongoing stories, and ruin character arcs. i've already had to do some changes to character arcs with Logan, too, what with Spider-Man and Y coming in. originally, it was just supposed to be Toph, and once she started to lose, Logan would hop in, risk himself, and pull her out of there, but with more characters arriving, i've had to change my plans to fit these accordingly.
but if Specter pulls some Doctor Who shit on us, it'll be way harder to try and work around the glaring hole of continuity.
i'm not saying you have to reveal everything, Shen, but it's best to keep your fellow roleplayers updated on specific events. hell, you can even tease some stuff without having to go into detail. i know i have, what with my original allusions to Snake's death before we all discussed it and fleshed out how it would go down.
hope this provides some clear insight.

 

[Mechanist Gamma]

That's not an excuse for randomly pulling things out of nowhere and creating major character plots that have a VERY high likelihood of critically impacting the rest of the story in negative ways! I just... I don't want to talk about Specter anymore. There's no point. Back to working on a different story.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

let's say i never brought up the Gaster Extinction Event. i just kept it under wraps, waiting to use it.
then i do. say i just have Gaster do all this stuff, interfering with everybody's stories, and everybody's arcs straight out of the blue.
that wouldn't be very fun, and i'm sure you agree.
but because i presented it, i was given criticism, and i discussed this. because of this, the GEE has transformed into what it is now, and it may continue to morph until it's used, and while it does, you can bet i'll keep all of you posted on it.
why? because it's better that way.

But you see, that’s a monumental occasion of near instant death for many dimensions, Specter isn’t going that large scale. Besides, many of his bosses and things he’s done in this Rp so far have gotten positive responses: Mecha Hiro, Canopek, Etc.

but if Specter pulls some Doctor Who shit on us, it'll be way harder to try and work around the glaring hole of continuity.
i'm not saying you have to reveal everything, Shen, but it's best to keep your fellow roleplayers updated on specific events. hell, you can even tease some stuff without having to go into detail. i know i have, what with my original allusions to Snake's death before we all discussed it and fleshed out how it would go down.
hope this provides some clear insight.

I see where your coming from, but you don’t need to worry about Specter Doing anything gigantic such as that or anything time travel related. Believe me, I’ve been burning the midnight oil with specter, I wouldn’t soil my work on something that wouldn’t be fun for everyone

 

[StormingCobra]

Waiting on another response from @BurbleBurble for Cecil and Priscilla.

When my next post arrives, I might drop Meta Knight with the Warzone group. @Godjacob is that fine with you? Bowser will return to Team Negan most likely.

And I still need to figure out where Vader, Kaleb, and Sylar should end up.

 

[comic]

But you see, that’s a monumental occasion of near instant death for many dimensions, Specter isn’t going that large scale. Besides, many of his bosses and things he’s done in this Rp so far have gotten positive responses: Mecha Hiro, Canopek, Etc.


I see where your coming from, but you don’t need to worry about Specter Doing anything gigantic such as that or anything time travel related. Believe me, I’ve been burning the midnight oil with specter, I wouldn’t soil my work on something that wouldn’t be fun for everyone

regardless, it's best to try and work with the rest of the roleplayers.
it doesn't have to be in the discussion thread, it can be in PMs. i know you and Jacob do this, and i believe we have before, and there's bound to be others you PM about future plots, but if it concerns certain characters, best thing to do it discuss it with the roleplayer who has control over those characters.
wanna know a way we could have avoided so many arguments? talking about what comes next before pulling some bullshittery.
i myself have discussed a lot of plots. i've talked a lot with Eevee on things relating to Camelot and Gaster. i talk with Mok about literally everything. i discuss things with Burble, i've talked with Jacob, Bog, and Dekiru. just... if you're gonna do something, make sure you give some type of warning, or allude to it before hand. the arrival of Specter was pretty sudden, and split off the original plot to add Team Chief to the whole conflict in Marseille, but we adapted and let it happen.
i cannot stress enough how important it is to communicate. keeping things under wraps in something Marvel is notorious for, but the difference is, they keep it under wraps from the public.
not from each other.

 

[Mechanist Gamma]

Fun is relative... If it interferes with ongoing plots, it isn't going to be fun. Comic and I specifically have been working a LOT on future stories and plots - out of everyone else, Comic has the clearest picture of what's going to happen due to me having a song list for the Battles of Camelot and Olympus in our private convo - and some of the elements only work if other things which we've planned out happen, such as Snake's death.
I will say this, though. For the sake of evening the score and allowing everyone to participate in the end of the Z arc, everyone will get to take 10% of their cast to the true final battle. The rest of the cast remains alive, of course, but only a small portion of the United Army will get to finish the job against Z. I myself will be taking Ruby Rose and Jin to that final battle - which is less than 10% of my cast, but they're the two I want for the end of specifically the Z arc. Because of his character arc in the RP, Raiden will need to be Burble's pick for that battle, as it's when we get Raiden v Z.
I think that Specter's plots should be discussed with Comic and I in PM, as we're the ones with the major stories happening at the moment (anything past the Z arc should go to Bog, though). Also, I would like to make a convo with Shen and Godjacob to discuss what will happen in the future for Erza, Keda and Rex. Ironically I have very little planned for Keda during the Z arc, but he has a LOT planned during the Zeliyis arc.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

it doesn't have to be in the discussion thread, it can be in PMs. i know you and Jacob do this, and i believe we have before, and there's bound to be others you PM about future plots, but if it concerns certain characters, best thing to do it discuss it with the roleplayer who has control over those characters.

Oh that’s just common courtesy, I do that all the time. I do it however right when I’m on the verge of doing the action

wanna know a way we could have avoided so many arguments? talking about what comes next before pulling some bullshittery.

As said, I do, right before I get to cross the bridge, not a mile in advance

Specter was pretty sudden, and split off the original plot to add Team Chief to the whole conflict in Marseille, but we adapted and let it happen.

I also asked permission to do that

 

[Mechanist Gamma]

As said, I do, right before I get to cross the bridge, not a mile in advance

Shen's philosophy of life, everyone! Sorry if this seems direct, but I just really hate how you tell us absolutely nothing and expect it to work perfectly in the grand scheme of events.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

Also, I would like to make a convo with Shen and Godjacob to discuss what will happen in the future for Erza, Keda and Rex.

That could have some potential

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

Shen's philosophy of life, everyone! Sorry if this seems direct, but I just really hate how you tell us absolutely nothing and expect it to work perfectly in the grand scheme of events.

I know. I still won’t inact it if it’s denied before I cross the bridge. I just leave very few things to get in my way to my goal of enacting it, hence why I ask permission right when it’s within my power. Hence specter ship coming in, which also was authorized

 

[comic]

Oh that’s just common courtesy, I do that all the time. I do it however right when I’m on the verge of doing the action


As said, I do, right before I get to cross the bridge, not a mile in advance


I also asked permission to do that

but sometimes it's better to go a 'mile in advance', don't you think?
i'm already fleshing out stories for the sequel of this RP through Gaster, and discussing it with you guys for both criticism and ideas.
could you please just stop trying to have your way this one time, and work with what i'm saying? i have no problem with what's currently going on in the rp, other than the utilization of the Praetor suit. again, that's something you should have discussed with me before posting.
speaking of discussing things, @Godjacob regardless of what Spidey and Y do in the situation, when would a good time for Logan to hop in and finally do something for someone else?

I know. I still won’t inact it if it’s denied before I cross the bridge. I just leave very few things to get in my way to my goal of enacting it, hence why I ask permission right when it’s within my power. Hence specter ship coming in, which also was authorized

i get that i was authorized, but i was in the dark about this. i was preparing story arcs for Chief and Flynn concerning the entire Marseille conflict before this happened.
communication, bro. it's the key to a successful RP.

 

[Mechanist Gamma]

Oh, whoops. If we need to remove the characters we can. Y's at the back lines right now, so Cecil is the problem of Toph and Spidey.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

but sometimes it's better to go a 'mile in advance', don't you think?
i'm already fleshing out stories for the sequel of this RP through Gaster, and discussing it with you guys for both criticism and ideas.
could you please just stop trying to have your way this one time, and work with what i'm saying? i have no problem with what's currently going on in the rp, other than the utilization of the Praetor suit. again, that's something you should have discussed with me before posting.

You are right on the praetor suit part, I should have asked permission, but other than that, my primary point still stands.

get that i was authorized, but i was in the dark about this. i was preparing story arcs for Chief and Flynn concerning the entire Marseille conflict before this happened.
communication, bro. it's the key to a successful RP.

I know, I founded the currently second most successful RP on this site. But some things are better left to be a surprise for better effect.

 

[comic]

You are right on the praetor suit part, I should have asked permission, but other than that, my primary point still stands.


I know, I founded the currently second most successful RP on this site. But some things are better left to be a surprise for better effect.

dunno what your apparent title has to do with anything.
also, the MOST successful RP on this site still is Outcasts, right? anyway,
sure, you made a successful Naruto RP. that's great, but wanna know what made it so popular? the community. your fellow roleplayers are what made it such a success. you present the idea, the characters, the story, and they work with it and transform it.
but Naruto is a bit different from Fiction, if you ask me.
community is everything in a roleplay, and communication is the lifeblood. this conversation isn't really going anywhere, so i'll just say this;
next time you got something concerning my characters coming up, i'd like it if you discuss it with me in advance so we can flesh out how it would really go down, alright?

 

[StormingCobra]

I’m just sitting here reading this discussion thinking about how nobody discusses stuff with me in advance... :’(

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

dunno what your apparent title has to do with anything.
also, the MOST successful RP on this site still is Outcasts, right? anyway,
sure, you made a successful Naruto RP. that's great, but wanna know what made it so popular? the community. your fellow roleplayers are what made it such a success. you present the idea, the characters, the story, and they work with it and transform it.
but Naruto is a bit different from Fiction, if you ask me.

Yes, the community does do quite a lot for our story, from the characters to the interactions. However, I often give the heading, bring up wildcards and surpises that were previously completely unexpected, and they are always a treat to those involved, and I learned that these surprises are usually the most beneficial and fun for those involved.

next time you got something concerning my characters coming up, i'd like it if you discuss it with me in advance so we can flesh out how it would really go down, alright?

When something comes along such as that, then yes

 

[comic]

I’m just sitting here reading this discussion thinking about how nobody discusses stuff with me in advance... :’(

lol, sorry. nothing's yet come up for me to flesh out with you yet.
well, actually...
we could discuss more on the future between Negan's relationship with Bowser and Vader.