Private/Closed Fiction Crossover

[Mokko]

You did say Artemis, who is a 2-A character cannot harm bro. And she is one of the strongest characters on the roster, same tier as goku.

While you didn’t directly say Goku, they are of the same tier.

A character is not defined by their power, and their power is not defined by their tier. Sure, it’s a rough measurement, but it’s not like a 2-A character is dog shit in comparison to a 1-A. Characters are unique, in terms of personality and abilities.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

A character is not defined by their power, and their power is not defined by their tier. Sure, it’s a rough measurement, but it’s not like a 2-A character is dog shit in comparison to a 1-A. Characters are unique, in terms of personality and abilities.

Exactly, no character should be immune to characters of tiers under them.

I mean...spider man beat Vader for crying out loud XD

 

[comic]

You did say Artemis, who is a 2-A character cannot harm bro. And she is one of the strongest characters on the roster, same tier as goku.

While you didn’t directly say Goku, they are of the same tier.

when i said 'harm' i meant fatally wound. unless you happen to be a mega-powerful demon like Jack, then you won't manage to kill Bro- at least not easily. Artemis could hurt Bro, but she wouldn't be able to kill him unless she reached full power.

 

[Godjacob]

A character is not defined by their power, and their power is not defined by their tier. Sure, it’s a rough measurement, but it’s not like a 2-A character is dog shit in comparison to a 1-A. Characters are unique, in terms of personality and abilities.

This Chara Toph fight seems to disagree with that notion.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

when i said 'harm' i meant fatally wound. unless you happen to be a mega-powerful demon like Jack, then you won't manage to kill Bro- at least not easily. Artemis could hurt Bro, but she wouldn't be able to kill him unless she reached full power.

That’s....still basically saying she can’t kill him no matter what she does. Meaning Goku, sonic, Claufia, etc can’t hope to do the same either? That seems all sorts of wrong still.

 

[Godjacob]

when i said 'harm' i meant fatally wound. unless you happen to be a mega-powerful demon like Jack, then you won't manage to kill Bro- at least not easily. Artemis could hurt Bro, but she wouldn't be able to kill him unless she reached full power.

That is not reassuring. In the slightest. Being immune to death with the sole exception of one specific "class" of enemy (And a uber tier within that class) is kinda cheeky. I mean I want to give the benefit of the doubt but I have concerns is all.

 

[comic]

whatevs, guys.
i'm not arguing with you about this.
Jack was an example, not a 'specific class' that can beat Bro.
and you didn't read my last post very well. i said;

then you won't manage to kill Bro- at least not easily.

thought i made it pretty clear.
Bro could be killed by the likes of Artemis, but it would be a very difficult task.
not to mention a single swipe from Bro's katana can literally split cities in half, so... managing to kill him would be hella difficult for many.
even Jack, who's a higher tier than Bro, struggles against the guy.

 

[Godjacob]

whatevs, guys.
i'm not arguing with you about this.
Jack was an example, not a 'specific class' that can beat Bro.
and you didn't read my last post very well. i said;

thought i made it pretty clear.
Bro could be killed by the likes of Artemis, but it would be a very difficult task.
not to mention a single swipe from Bro's katana can literally split cities in half, so... managing to kill him would be hella difficult for many.
even Jack, who's a higher tier than Bro, struggles against the guy.

And Caulifla if I didn't nerf her would blow up a planet with a causal ki blast. Point it is to make these characters reasonable to the plot is all I am saying. That's all I am gonna say on this got to go to class.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

whatevs, guys.
i'm not arguing with you about this.
Jack was an example, not a 'specific class' that can beat Bro.
and you didn't read my last post very well. i said;

thought i made it pretty clear.
Bro could be killed by the likes of Artemis, but it would be a very difficult task.
not to mention a single swipe from Bro's katana can literally split cities in half, so... managing to kill him would be hella difficult for many.
even Jack, who's a higher tier than Bro, struggles against the guy.

And Caulifla if I didn't nerf her would blow up a planet with a causal ki blast. Point it is to make these characters reasonable to the plot is all I am saying. That's all I am gonna say on this got to go to class.

Yes nerfs are important. If nerfs weren’t a thing, goku would obliterate all of our cast XD. We should keep some balance here, so no planet crackers of course. And NO character should be completely immune in any shape or form to other characters, unless it’s like Dipper or something.

So feats aside, I think it would be everyone’s best interest to have Bro the same tier as Goku and Claufia. Where he is no joke, but not blatantly OP either. Sound good?

 

[Mechanist Gamma]

I’d put him at King Sonic tier myself, currently the most powerful non-God non-Bro individual in Camelot thanks to Caliburn. But putting him just below that at Goku and Caulifla tier could definitely work as well. Only problem is that any lower than that wouldn’t be entirely faithful to Homestuck, jacked as it is as a series...

 

[comic]

i'd have to go back and edit a lot of things if i were to do that.
including Artemis recognizing Bro's potential, and getting ticked off because all that potential is in a male.
i'm leaving Bro as he is. there's a difference between nerfing a galaxy-buster like Goku, and a city-buster like Bro. very different power-sets. not even really fair to compare them, really. reason why Bro is as dangerous as he is actually has a lot more to do with his insane speed and skill with a katana than his physical power, really.
other than Sonic, Bro is the fastest character in Camelot in terms of physical speed.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

i'd have to go back and edit a lot of things if i were to do that.
including Artemis recognizing Bro's potential, and getting ticked off because all that potential is in a male.
i'm leaving Bro as he is. there's a difference between nerfing a galaxy-buster like Goku, and a city-buster like Bro. very different power-sets. not even really fair to compare them, really. reason why Bro is as dangerous as he is actually has a lot more to do with his insane speed and skill with a katana than his physical power, really.
other than Sonic, Bro is the fastest character in Camelot in terms of physical speed.

You don’t have to edit anything to nerf him to those standards

 

[comic]

You don’t have to edit anything to nerf him to those standards

i would, actually.
Artemis, a higher tier than current Goku and Caulifla in the rp, has already recognized Bro as more powerful than her in the rp.
it would create a continuity error if i were to suddenly weaken Bro not only lower than Artemis, but also lower than current Goku and Caulifla.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

i would, actually.
Artemis, a higher tier than current Goku and Caulifla in the rp, has already recognized Bro as more powerful than her in the rp.
it would create a continuity error if i were to suddenly weaken Bro not only lower than Artemis, but also lower than current Goku and Caulifla.

The just edit that one thing she said and it’s all good to go

 

[comic]

The just edit that one thing she said and it’s all good to go

except i already said i'm leaving Bro as he is.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

except i already said i'm leaving Bro as he is.

...so your not compromising with anyone and just want to be the one on top just to be on top?

 

[comic]

...so your not compromising with anyone and just want to be the one on top just to be on top?

you're the only one who suggested the nerf.
nobody else.
i'm not compromising with you, Shen, because i'm leaving Bro as he is. he's fine. his time in the rp is limited anyway, considering Jack will be killing him sometime soon.
besides, nobody asked for a nerf on King Sonic. nobody asked for a nerf on Dagda (who is far more powerful than Sonic, Artemis, and Bro). i honestly feel just a tad bit targeted right now.

 

[Mechanist Gamma]

I feel like that in itself brings up a problem though, namely that of King Sonic ALSO having that potential. He’s faster than Bro, and Caliburn is a much more dangerous weapon. So why hasn’t Artemis had any thoughts about HIM being stronger than her, much less bringing up that time you implied she would stomp him? If Artemis can beat King Sonic, I see no reason she should be weaker than Bro.

 

[Mokko]

I feel like that in itself brings up a problem though, namely that of King Sonic ALSO having that potential. He’s faster than Bro, and Caliburn is a much more dangerous weapon. So why hasn’t Artemis had any thoughts about HIM being stronger than her, much less bringing up that time you implied she would stomp him? If Artemis can beat King Sonic, I see no reason she should be weaker than Bro.

I thought King Sonic was stronger than Artemis?

 

[comic]

I feel like that in itself brings up a problem though, namely that of King Sonic ALSO having that potential. He’s faster than Bro, and Caliburn is a much more dangerous weapon. So why hasn’t Artemis had any thoughts about HIM being stronger than her, much less bringing up that time you implied she would stomp him? If Artemis can beat King Sonic, I see no reason she should be weaker than Bro.

no, Artemis at full-power. she's just salty that she didn't win the off-screen fight with him.

 

[Mechanist Gamma]

Ah, that’s understandable.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

you're the only one who suggested the nerf.
nobody else.
i'm not compromising with you, Shen, because i'm leaving Bro as he is. he's fine. his time in the rp is limited anyway, considering Jack will be killing him sometime soon.
besides, nobody asked for a nerf on King Sonic. nobody asked for a nerf on Dagda (who is far more powerful than Sonic, Artemis, and Bro). i honestly feel just a tad bit targeted right now.

Because bro is the strongest by a large margin over anyone in Camelot by your admission.

And eevee, I, and Jacob are on board with this nerf, and Mok seems hesitant about Bro’s power here.

King sonic is the strongest after the nerf, yes, but not by much. And the fact he too can be defeated by those under him. It just would better for everyone if bro were more in synch with the rest of the cast

 

[comic]

Because bro is the strongest by a large margin over anyone in Camelot by your admission.

And eevee, I, and Jacob are on board with this nerf, and Mok seems hesitant about Bro’s power here.

King sonic is the strongest after the nerf, yes, but not by much. And the fact he too can be defeated by those under him. It just would better for everyone if bro were more in synch with the rest of the cast

Bro is on-par with Sonic in terms of power, as stated by Eevee a fair few times. Very powerful characters are about to attack Camelot, and Bro is going to be a very valuable asset. Eevee has plotted to counter Bro as he is now, not a weakened version, who would get stomped by Malos alone.
Bro stays as he is. end of discussion.

 

[Mechanist Gamma]

Actually, thinking about it more... King Sonic and Bro should ALREADY be at an equal level. Sonic a little above thanks to Caliburn but still. In reality... we might not... NEED a nerf? I feel like it’s entirely possible that by entry into Camelot himself Bro was nerfed. He’s a big threat yeah, but Siren could 1v1 him and get him out of the way for Battle of Camelot. My problem with it was him being stronger than a Greek God, but... he’s NOT. At full power, Artemis would strike him down.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

Bro is on-par with Sonic in terms of power, as stated by Eevee a fair few times. Very powerful characters are about to attack Camelot, and Bro is going to be a very valuable asset. Eevee has plotted to counter Bro as he is now, not a weakened version, who would get stomped by Malos alone.
Bro stays as he is. end of discussion.

.....

Your way or the highway again, is it?

I’m just thankful I’m in a position to actively avoid him

Actually, thinking about it more... King Sonic and Bro should ALREADY be at an equal level. Sonic a little above thanks to Caliburn but still. In reality... we might not... NEED a nerf? I feel like it’s entirely possible that by entry into Camelot himself Bro was nerfed. He’s a big threat yeah, but Siren could 1v1 him and get him out of the way for Battle of Camelot. My problem with it was him being stronger than a Greek God, but... he’s NOT. At full power, Artemis would strike him down.

Except he pitched before that bro was stronger than ANY Camelot character

 

[comic]

.....

Your way or the highway again, is it?

I’m just thankful I’m in a position to actively avoid him


Except he pitched before that bro was stronger than ANY Camelot character

because Artemis is nerfed, meaning in her current form, she isn't more powerful than Sonic or Bro. Eevee is completely correct in what he said. i couldn't have said it better myself.
probably wouldn't be able to, either. i suck at explaining things.

 

[Mechanist Gamma]

I know the feeling pal. And tbh the most powerful character in Camelot Rn is... a character from Camelot, aka King Sonic. Excalibur Sonic and Dark Queen would both surpass Bro, the latter of which is getting taken down by Siren and the former of which is incapable of showing up thanks to Gawain guarding the townspeople in the underground bunker. Also King Sonic will be delayed by King’s Artifice, who’s on par with him. Bro will be handled by Siren, Malos’ ultimate weapon, which is - no joke - a country destroyer at full power. I’m kinda glad I can keep it at its level in Torna tbh

 

[Godjacob]

Is there a reason Artemis doesn't consider Goku stronger? I mean he'd beat Sonic in most canons of him head to head matches?

Either way I do not see these OP characters with specific "counter" characters being introduced just to give them a challenge as a good thing. Feels it undermines too many people in the Camelot plot. We are not lacking strong characters, we are overstuffing it making a very thing pyramid structure for the RP.

 

[Mechanist Gamma]

It's not so much INTRODUCING them as Z giving them each specific targets. Like the Pillar Men going after Galacta Knight and the Saiyans.

 

[comic]

Is there a reason Artemis doesn't consider Goku stronger? I mean he'd beat Sonic in most canons of him head to head matches?

Artemis wasn't paying much attention when she 'met' Goku and Caulifla, as she was in a huff, and wanted to talk to Sonic, but then got annoyed, like as if she didn't want to hear what he had to say anyway.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

Is there a reason Artemis doesn't consider Goku stronger? I mean he'd beat Sonic in most canons of him head to head matches?

Either way I do not see these OP characters with specific "counter" characters being introduced just to give them a challenge as a good thing. Feels it undermines too many people in the Camelot plot. We are not lacking strong characters, we are overstuffing it making a very thing pyramid structure for the RP.

Personally, since comic controls both bro and Artemis, he wanted to hype up bro since it was his own character.

And I do agree with you later point. Bro soloed Noah without any injuries.

 

[comic]

Personally, since comic controls both bro and Artemis, he wanted to hype up bro since it was his own character.

And I do agree with you later point. Bro soloed Noah without any injuries.

He got hit once. Does that count?
and i may have hyped up Bro because ya'll clearly underestimated him...

 

[Mechanist Gamma]

To be fair, Sonic could have dealt with those things just as easily, and Lancelot and Percival wouldn't have had that much of a harder time

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

To be fair, Sonic could have dealt with those things just as easily, and Lancelot and Percival wouldn't have had that much of a harder time

Against Joan? That’s a pretty strong monster you know. Its not exactly easy to deal with...

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

She is 2,800 attack power. That’s quite a punch that she can deal

 

[Mechanist Gamma]

I'd put King Sonic at, not knowing Yu-Gi-Oh standards but having seen a fair few cards, 6000 attack power bare minimum.

 

[BurbleBurble]

Well, actually, Kiran is the most powerful entity in all of Camelot. You see, similar to his ancestor Shaggy, he must hold back in every action he does. He only uses 0.01% of his power right now, and is kept on powerful suppressant drugs that...ok this isn't funny, haha look weak character is actually strong like I've said like four times by now

Also you know someone's having an argument when you log on after a few hours, scroll down and see this.
https://i.imgur.com/7GbZOPh.png
though this time it was more of a small disagreement

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

I'd put King Sonic at, not knowing Yu-Gi-Oh standards but having seen a fair few cards, 6000 attack power bare minimum.

Those beings are like gods. Literally. Like Ra. When three of them are together they can shatter the earth if desired by their controller.

 

[BurbleBurble]

Those beings are like gods. Literally. Like Ra. When three of them are together they can shatter the earth if desired by their controller.

This is like Pokemon all over again.

"Hey, should we let kids use killer creatures that could massacre countries given the chance? Why not?"

Except it's worse in this case, as I believe someone had to actually program this stuff into existence. Or I am completely, utterly wrong.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

This is like Pokemon all over again.

"Hey, should we let kids use killer creatures that could massacre countries given the chance? Why not?"

Except it's worse in this case, as I believe someone had to actually program this stuff into existence. Or I am completely, utterly wrong.

You actually are wrong.

There are only single copies of those cards, and 99% of the time they kill their player. These Egyptian god cards were actually transcribed from ancient texts and the souls of those gods also transferred (somehow). After realizing their power, they were buried, stashed away, and attempted to be destroyed, but to no avail