Private/Closed Naruto AU RP: discussion

[Godjacob]

There is color. For example, tomiko’s street family, Kou’s adoption by Palentra, Jin and Roanna’s Meeting and growing up, etc

A family that, I remind you, live in near poverty and struggle to get by day to day. The live on the slums of the village.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

A family that, I remind you, live in near poverty and struggle to get by day to day. The live on the slums of the village.

Just because they are poor doesn’t mean they aren’t happy

 

[SageNeb]

The academy teachers children no older than 10, to throw lethal weapons at targets clearly intended to replicate humans. It also teaches them how to wield Fire, Lighting, Water, Earth, and Wind with lethal force.

*no e rank elemental jutsu exists, even real life kids can do that, press x to doubt*

 

[Godjacob]

Let’s jot get started on how the mist do graduations....

And would that even be considered honestly so horrible if stuff like the Hinagiku demonstration was around? It kinda makes the event less horrible and the Bloody Mist not so bad given hey that's just how this setting is. Makes it seem less horrifying cause we quite frankly lack any good base line to serve as a contrast.

Just because they are poor doesn’t mean they aren’t happy

Doesn't mean that their situation is a beacon of sunshine either.

 

[SageNeb]

That awkward moment when the uchiha haven’t done anything to their clan members for they to awaken the Sharingan, but Kyuu and shen are just spamming dark events

 

[kyuukestu]

Just saying, making everything grim dark doesn't make the actual tragic events (Amegakure's near destruction to name one example) have the kind of punch that they should have. Just another part of the ninja world, and the people there should not be such melodramatic wussies over it.

There needs to be contrast, some light in the dark so that those events and moments have more weight behind them. If something like near mass genocide or casual slaughter of hundreds of people is so common it can be given tutorial lessons by a prominent clan head it just paints a pure black picture with no other colors which makes the work itself one-dimensional.

Well said, but I'd quite literally said that this event was the first of it's kind in my post.

In no way has everything been grim and dark, even if I do sorta agree to the second part. This is the contrast to the buddy-buddy and love triangle things that we've been running with literally every other OC in the RP. We've had idol concerts, dance-offs, a man obsessing over a rabbit, and many other things that clearly don't fall into the dark side of the world.

The dark side (Shen and I) are quite clearly the minority, so I'd even argue there's too much light at this point. It's precisely because we're the only ones going to such lengths that they carry so much weight that killing bandits becomes 'mass genocide'.

 

[kyuukestu]

And would that even be considered honestly so horrible if stuff like the Hinagiku demonstration was around? It kinda makes the event less horrible and the Bloody Mist not so bad given hey that's just how this setting is. Makes it seem less horrifying cause we quite frankly lack any good base line to serve as a contrast.



Doesn't mean that their situation is a beacon of sunshine either.

You just compared throwing children into a gladiator ring and letting then kill each other to exterminate Bandits responsible for Murders, Rape, Pillaging, Destruction of property, and overall generally heinous crimes.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

That awkward moment when the uchiha haven’t done anything to their clan members for they to awaken the Sharingan, but Kyuu and shen are just spamming dark events

Nah. I only ever make backstories when I’m explaining something about a character or trait. While laying important groundwork that will Be critical in several points in the RP

 

[SageNeb]

This is the contrast to the buddy-buddy and love triangle things that we've been running with literally every other OC in the RP. We've had idol concerts, dance-offs, a man obsessing over a rabbit, and many other things that clearly don't fall into the dark side of the world.

no need to make me jealous

 

[Godjacob]

This is the contrast to the buddy-buddy and love triangle things that we've been running with literally every other OC in the RP.

Tomiko had an emotional breakdown and was destroyed internally post Kiro fight. Having nightmares and stuff that scarred her.

Outside of Azumi's stuff with Zaku, everything about her has been opposite of that stuff. As #Ohtheedge has been her trademark.

I don't think Reaver has had any moment like that, he is all about murder murder and more murder XD

 

[Godjacob]

This is the contrast to the buddy-buddy and love triangle things that we've been running with literally every other OC in the RP. We've had idol concerts, dance-offs, a man obsessing over a rabbit, and many other things that clearly don't fall into the dark side of the world.

My point was the dark stuff has taken more majority than you or Shen believe, even Kiro's rabbit obsession is one tiny part of a backstabbing traitor with deep seated emotional trauma from the Uchiha and who was the only one to kill someone in an exam battle.

Half our arcs have been wars, invasions or large scale battle stuff. This arc included, which is basically an arms race.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

Tomiko had an emotional breakdown and was destroyed internally post Kiro fight. Having nightmares and stuff that scarred her.

Outside of Azumi's stuff with Zaku, everything about her has been opposite of that stuff. As #Ohtheedge has been her trademark.

I don't think Reaver has had any moment like that, he is all about murder murder and more murder XD

Yeahhhh reaver is all about that murder XD. Then again, so was gaara *shrugs*

We also have Fujira and taiyo’s ‘incident’ going on, inner Taiyo, the Kou and Tomiko rock queen bond, yasu’s love triangle, the dance off in the sound village, and many other things

 

[kyuukestu]

Tomiko had an emotional breakdown and was destroyed internally post Kiro fight. Having nightmares and stuff that scarred her.

Outside of Azumi's stuff with Zaku, everything about her has been opposite of that stuff. As #Ohtheedge has been her trademark.

I don't think Reaver has had any moment like that, he is all about murder murder and more murder XD

can you find anymore?

I mean, you managed to pull up 3 examples (One who isn't even a dark character and is generally known for be Cheerful to the point of self-injury)

and that's out of...how many OCs do we have? 50?

Well, at least 20.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

My point was the dark stuff has taken more majority than you or Shen believe, even Kiro's rabbit obsession is one tiny part of a backstabbing traitor with deep seated emotional trauma from the Uchiha and who was the only one to kill someone in an exam battle.

Half our arcs have been wars, invasions or large scale battle stuff. This arc included, which is basically an arms race.

Look at the arcs in naruto. Most of them are backstabbings, wars, invasions, or arms races

 

[SageNeb]

My point was the dark stuff has taken more majority than you or Shen believe, even Kiro's rabbit obsession is one tiny part of a backstabbing traitor with deep seated emotional trauma from the Uchiha and who was the only one to kill someone in an exam battle.

Half our arcs have been wars, invasions or large scale battle stuff. This arc included, which is basically an arms race.

Furijia-traumatized? Nonono
Kiro-lonely weirdo, THATS WHO WE SHOULD FEEL BAD FOR

 

[kyuukestu]

My point was the dark stuff has taken more majority than you or Shen believe, even Kiro's rabbit obsession is one tiny part of a backstabbing traitor with deep seated emotional trauma from the Uchiha and who was the only one to kill someone in an exam battle.

Half our arcs have been wars, invasions or large scale battle stuff. This arc included, which is basically an arms race.

We started at a plot point (the Chūnin exams), that was meant to lead into 2 mini-wars (Invasion and Chase the sound)

That just happens to be all we've accomplished in the 8 months this RPs been running.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

Furijia-traumatized? Nonono
Kiro-lonely weirdo, THATS WHO WE SHOULD FEEL BAD FOR

Why of course, because he’s a pure blood mist ninja while furjira is foreign swine

 

[Godjacob]

Yeahhhh reaver is all about that murder XD. Then again, so was gaara *shrugs*

We also have Fujira and taiyo’s ‘incident’ going on, inner Taiyo, the Kou and Tomiko rock queen bond, yasu’s love triangle, the dance off in the sound village, and many other things

And we also had hospital slaughters, bandit genocide, brutal OC death, reanimated baby used as mind screwing tactics and mental/emotional scaring.

 

[kyuukestu]

I'd also like to point out that Kiro betraying everyone who's ever shown him gratitude doesn't make him dark, it just makes him a dick :T

 

[Godjacob]

For the record I was not speaking up in Kiro's defense for his actions. Tayuya reflects my feelings on how I see Kiro as a person to this point XD

 

[SageNeb]

I'd also like to point out that Kiro betraying everyone who's ever shown him gratitude doesn't make him dark, it just makes him a dick :T

Raiku: I told you he needed my therapy!

 

[SageNeb]

For the record I was not speaking up in Kiro's defense for his actions. Tayuya reflects my feelings on how I see Kiro as a person to this point XD

I sort of feel bad for retro now xD

 

[Godjacob]

I sort of feel bad for retro now xD

I mean, he kinda made Kiro hard to sympathize with. No offense Retro.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

And we also had hospital slaughters, bandit genocide, brutal OC death, reanimated baby used as mind screwing tactics and mental/emotional scaring.

Well we have other things too such as the Tsuki and Taiyo courting thing, the festival set up by the hyuga, the entire tsunade recovery deal,
We also have the almighty Bitchslap

I'd also like to point out that Kiro betraying everyone who's ever shown him gratitude doesn't make him dark, it just makes him a dick :T

Very much so, I must say XD. (Though killing Hashima is still dark)

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

I mean, he kinda made Kiro hard to sympathize with. No offense Retro.

Don’t worry @Retro Master Kai still has his back

 

[Godjacob]

I guess if I have summarize my point, we have had plenty of dark things in the RP. But the fact that Shen & Kyuu feel it has been too light and need to sprinkle more tragic events could undermine any "light" that happens in the RP. Specially with the Danzo cue, the Mist Civil War and eventual world war stuff we will be doing.

Gonna be hard to make a contrast to the light when the light side gets smaller and smaller.

 

[SageNeb]

Don’t worry @Retro Master Kai still has his back

Kiro: *shoots both of kai’s legs*
Kai: must’ve just been orochimaru, that Xeno! Meh I’ll just walk it off... oh wait

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

I guess if I have summarize my point, we have had plenty of dark things in the RP. But the fact that Shen & Kyuu feel it has been too light and need to sprinkle more tragic events could undermine any "light" that happens in the RP. Specially with the Danzo cue, the Mist Civil War and eventual world war stuff we will be doing.

Well then if you have mainly light characters, why don’t you sprinkle that light? *throws glitter*

I’m doing my part, Kou is like the brightest light at this point XD

 

[kyuukestu]

And we also had hospital slaughters, bandit genocide, brutal OC death, reanimated baby used as mind screwing tactics and mental/emotional scaring.

Well, it's a dark world after all.

I think you misunderstand something. It's not the Darkness that's supposed to be rare in Naruto, it's the Light that supposed to be rare.

Naruto and the people associated with him are supposed to be the tamest, nicest people in the ninja world, to the point where they look almost pacifist.

Everyone else in the world is out there hiring terrorist bombing on other nations (Iwa), Kidnapping children to extract their unique bloodline (Kumo), letting Children battle in gladiator rings to the death (Kiri), and creating jutsu that turn human bodies into transmogrified weapons (Suna).

 

[SageNeb]

Well, it's a dark world after all.

I think you misunderstand something. It's not the Darkness that's supposed to be rare in Naruto, it's the Light that supposed to be rare.

Naruto and the people associated with him are supposed to be the tamest, nicest people in the ninja world, to the point where they look almost pacifist.

Everyone else in the world is out there hiring terrorist bombing on other nations (Iwa), Kidnapping children to extract their unique bloodline (Kumo), letting Children battle in gladiator rings to the death (Kiri), and creating jutsu that turn human bodies into transmogrified weapons (Suna).

Apparently even tho only two puppet users, one being a psychopath, did that, Half of their ninja did

 

[Godjacob]

Well then if you have mainly light characters, why don’t you sprinkle that light? *throws glitter*

I’m doing my part, Kou is like the brightest light at this point XD

Tomiko is light.

Sakura is semi-light.

Kenji and Madoka are neutral.

Azumi is dark. And she is my main so yeah....not easy for me here XD

Well, it's a dark world after all.

I think you misunderstand something. It's not the Darkness that's supposed to be rare in Naruto, it's the Light that supposed to be rare.

Naruto and the people associated with him are supposed to be the tamest, nicest people in the ninja world, to the point where they look almost pacifist.

Everyone else in the world is out there hiring terrorist bombing on other nations (Iwa), Kidnapping children to extract their unique bloodline (Kumo), letting Children battle in gladiator rings to the death (Kiri), and creating jutsu that turn human bodies into transmogrified weapons (Suna).

Which is not incorrect logically, it just means that the big dark or tragic events have far less weight to them if we play up just how common they are. Azumi's plight becomes less about someone speaking up on the injustice committed against her people and more of a crybaby complaining about tragic stuff when it is the bred and butter of the ninja world.

 

[Shen: King of Digimon]

Tomiko is light.

Sakura is semi-light.

Kenji and Madoka are neutral.

Azumi is dark. And she is my main so yeah....not easy for me here XD



Which is not incorrect logically, it just means that the big dark or tragic events have far less weight to them if we play up just how common they are. Azumi's plight becomes less about someone speaking up on the injustice committed against her people and more of a crybaby complaining about tragic stuff when it is the bred and butter of the ninja world.

Not quite what is being aimed here. Yes it’s a dark world, but that doesn’t mean genocide is common either. It’s like comparing a murder spree to the holocaust

 

[kyuukestu]

I guess if I have summarize my point, we have had plenty of dark things in the RP. But the fact that Shen & Kyuu feel it has been too light and need to sprinkle more tragic events could undermine any "light" that happens in the RP. Specially with the Danzo cue, the Mist Civil War and eventual world war stuff we will be doing.

Gonna be hard to make a contrast to the light when the light side gets smaller and smaller.

Light Side:

• Godjacob
• Nebby
• Retro
• Hydra
• Zander
• Soul
• Rohan

Dark Side:

• Kyuu
• Shen

The light side is getting smaller? Really? :T

well, dark stuff is a rare event after all. All of Hinagiku's backstory will be during the third ninja war, so its darkness will be justified.

Also, we create balance within our own characters (most of the time), Furījia, for example, is still transitioning out of that funk, and depending on how she interacts with your own characters she'll either transcend the darkness or embrace the necessary darkness.

 

[Godjacob]

Not quite what is being aimed here. Yes it’s a dark world, but that doesn’t mean genocide is common either. It’s like comparing a murder spree to the holocaust

....which Kai desires to make happen if he had power XD

 

[Godjacob]

Light Side:

• Godjacob
• Nebby
• Retro
• Hydra
• Zander
• Soul
• Rohan

Dark Side:

• Kyuu
• Shen

The light side is getting smaller? Really? :T

well, dark stuff is a rare event after all. All of Hinagiku's backstory will be during the third ninja war, so its darkness will be justified.

Also, we create balance within our own characters (most of the time), Furījia, for example, is still transitioning out of that funk, and depending on how she interacts with your own characters she'll either transcend the darkness or embrace the necessary darkness.

Pretty sure Retro is team darkness. And I am Azumi so I am also partly team darkness XD

 

[SageNeb]

Just saying, do you Guys seriously not realize how important taiyo is?

 

[Retro Master]

I remember when I was the one complaining about too much light... now apparently I’m on the light side now rip

It’s been awhile since we had a heated discussion like this and it’s so entertaining to read. Anyways, don’t mind me and continue on

 

[kyuukestu]

Which is not incorrect logically, it just means that the big dark or tragic events have far less weight to them if we play up just how common they are. Azumi's plight becomes less about someone speaking up on the injustice committed against her people and more of a crybaby complaining about tragic stuff when it is the bred and butter of the ninja world.

I can honestly understand your point, but they're not that common given the vast array of characters we have. We don't even have enough 'dark' events to give one to each of our Ocs. War is a central theme in the world, it shouldn't be viewed as a major dark event.

Major dark events need to leave emotional evidence behind, and be something other than the daily let's go throw mystical fire at each other for funsies.

 

[Godjacob]

Besides, it is Kyuu and Shen (Especially) who are gonna control the bulk of the story events anyway so even if they are "minority" they kinda have more sway with what tone the story gets XD

 

[SageNeb]

Just saying I’m not light I’m neutral