The Invasion Arc was clearly a war. I don't know how you can sell it as anything less, with far more casualities in that day then those skirmishes make.
Besides, we've got like 3-4 wars lined up going forward anyway to make up for the "lack" of war.
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Private/Closed Naruto AU RP: discussion
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The Invasion Arc was clearly a war. I don't know how you can sell it as anything less, with far more casualities in that day then those skirmishes make.
Besides, we've got like 3-4 wars lined up going forward anyway to make up for the "lack" of war.
Shen: King of Digimon
Previously Shen: King of the Mist
He's Xenophobic not power hungry. I don't see why he'd thrust the entire land of water into anarchy just for a little political power.
Furthermore, he might not even get it because the land of water would almost instantly collapse. They're already renown for very frequent civil wars, and thats when they have a head of state. With him assassinated it'd be less the Land of Water and more the Island Nations of the Mist.
SageNeb
Previously 5DigitNeb
he's also extremist
Shen: King of Digimon
Previously Shen: King of the Mist
Quite so. He’s xenophobic not power hungry. If Mei didn’t mess up so much he’d be content with her as a leader. He just doesn’t want to associate with the world, but if the dami seeks to interfere with what he has planned or demands things...that's when things get ugly
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They attacked once and then retreated in the same day. It consisted of 1 battle and a rout.
I should correct myself and say that when referring to War, I mean a prolonged conflict, and not just a hit and run.
That one day probably led to more causalities than those prolonged skirmishes did. If it is not a war, it was worse.
Imo I thought the invasion in the AU caused less damage than in canon.
Not if Shen had anything to say about it. It should have caused less damage given that Oto lacked Suna support and Konoha had more big names, but Shen wanted to pile on the causalities. The Konoha Medical Corps specifically.
Shen: King of Digimon
Previously Shen: King of the Mist
Well actually...that’s not the case.
• Most of the medics in the leaf were slain.
•the outer wall was destroyed
•the water reserves and emergency tunnel route were all destroyed
•destruction of the medical wing
•many civilian areas were smashed by giant Serpents
SageNeb
Previously 5DigitNeb
you forgot many civilians were murdered by the invaders
Shen: King of Digimon
Previously Shen: King of the Mist
Except the sound is a bit bigger in this AU.
I highly doubt that Orochimaru's one attack dealt more casualties that 20 years of fighting.
If that's was the case the leaf needs to cancel this mission right now because 20 years worth of casualties in a single day should effectively cripple them for at least a year or two.
He would cause of power vacuum plunging the land of water back into the warring states period, stokes the flames of a power struggle, and eliminate the Mist's main source of revenue just cause he didn't get his way?
Forget the fact that murdering their employer will blacklist them so practically no one would be willing to issue them missions, but social order would collapse without doubt and village itself would probably decline in power as shinobi who's families are normal people would leave the village in droves.
Shen: King of Digimon
Previously Shen: King of the Mist
If Zaku and Dosu weren’t intercepted, they would have also destroyed the arsenal
SageNeb
Previously 5DigitNeb
and would require a lot of breeding
If anything, I would think having the likes of Jiraiya and even Shisui would’ve been able to lower the casualties
*spits in disdain*
I've seen magical girls with less fluff than you pansies.
I'm look at you Madoka.
Shen: King of Digimon
Previously Shen: King of the Mist
Except they would thrive on the newly acquired land that now king Kai would be able to grow the village on. He could also technically talk to the other Damios and I doubt they’d all just shun him. They are opportunistic, they would grab the chance to get good with a new power while they could like hungry sharks.
He would begin expansion efforts as well and...well perhaps I shouldn’t reveal all of it
Eh, I think Orochimaru's little "surprise" for Minato was comparable to some stuff in Madoka.
The Kage as well claimed the attention of the non fodder Oto nin
Lmfao, they'll thrive in about 5 decades when they have a population capable of occupying the land.Except they would thrive on the newly acquired land that now king Kai would be able to grow the village on. He could also technically talk to the other Damios and I doubt they’d all just shun him. They are opportunistic, they would grab the chance to get good with a new power while they could like hungry sharks.
He would begin expansion efforts as well and...well perhaps I shouldn’t reveal all of it
And that's assuming the other nations don't attack them before then.
Other Daimyos?
Lemme tell you how i see that going;
Are you insane? You just murdered your own Daimyo and you're asking me to take you in? Do i look suicidal? - Every Other Daimyo.
The mist wouldn't be able to hide that they were the ones to kill the Daimyo. Great nations are the only ones with the strengths to assassinate a Daimyo who's supposed to be protected by another great nation.
SageNeb
Previously 5DigitNeb
there could be people willing to buy the land
Hmmm, not really, they're different types of Dark.
Madoka is - your entire existence is a representation of despair and your despair is precisely what makes you useful. You were created to suffer and benefit others.
Orochimaru was more like - I'm going to drag your ptsd from the grave, literally.
Madoka's was more a existential darkness, while Orochimaru was more psychological horror.
sSoul
Previously Swirled
Taiyo: I'm not fluffy, I beat the crap out of some random to get in.
Tsuki: Sounds like me
Seiun: the fluff rubs off on you, but hey, I'm down to break skulls when fighting.
Shen: King of Digimon
Previously Shen: King of the Mist
Several SEVERAL nations in earth’s history have been assasinated and other powers see it as an opportunity to make nice nice with a nation with a new head. Let alone a new power altogether.
“I’m the new king of the land of water, the details aren’t important. Now let’s talk business....” -Kai.
I doubt another nation would attack this new nation when there’s the sound ninja crisis and the leaf being weakened. Most would be seeing the leaf or sound as tempting targets before the mist
SageNeb
Previously 5DigitNeb
agriculture
Shen: King of Digimon
Previously Shen: King of the Mist
Also to hop on board a new nation that has just risen. You’d be suprised how common that is as well
sSoul
Previously Swirled
Seiun: Not a bad idea...
Is the time currently specified/important? Because if not I wanted to jump into evening time.
Shen: King of Digimon
Previously Shen: King of the Mist
It’s about evening yes. I wonder when everyone will be ready to get to the chase. Literally
SageNeb
Previously 5DigitNeb
apparently we're waiting on godjacob
Well it'll take the Iwa group awhile to get there. However, I've got something in mind for that.
Sorry~!
I'm working as fast as I can. Trying to get all my RP replies I need done, but real life keeps forcing me away.
And, again, I am kinda waiting on you to respond to Azumi.
Don't worry, I'll fix that soon enough.
Good, because that's exactly the activity I have the most ammo to crush.
1) The Mist doesn't have a lot of Land, they're an archipelago. They have the least land. (in respects to the other 5 Great Nations. However, they probably have the second least arable land, only beating out Suna.)
2) The fertility of their land is arguable. The salinity content of oceans means that only certain plans can grow upon shores washed by them.
3) You can start your own business, but it'll fail miserably. Especially for one in agriculture.
-For starter's with the Feudal Lord dead social order will be thrown to the trash. Regular businesses won't thrive, they'll actually suffer miserably. Only businesses that fuel the fighting will thrive, the rest will break even at best.
-For a land with no social order, and an initially poor economy, and no higher order maintaining security (since Kai just shot the head of govern.), law and order are going to plummet, while theft, and pillaging will drastically increase. What started off as an already poor zone for business had now become even worse than that.
-Without a standard system in place to provide food (as most people will be battling), famine will quickly set in and out of sheer desperation, your fields will be raided dry without a very adequate system of security.
-No one's looking for real estate in the middle of a civil war, that business will literally go nowhere unless you manage to erect a place that 100% safe where you're charging for 'safe' real estate.
-The idea above is only viable for a short time since once you've gained a bit of success you'll have a reputation for food, safe shelter, and living amenities, and that's something everyone will be trying to get. Needless to say, you'll have riots on your hands soon enough, and your real estate will be raided frequently.
-While you will have a ton of money, it might become completely useless depending on how the war goes. If the fighting rages on for too long, money will lose it's value as people will be more concerned with the essentials, food, water, etc. They won't buy/sell but instead fall back to bartering.
They'll be starving, and they certainly can't eat money, so it becomes worthless.
-No ones moving into a nation torn by war unless they're mercenaries or arms dealers. Your clientele for renting won't be the best.
We're not dealing with a budding nation, but one that's fallen to chaos because the pins holding it together have been taken away.
The Mist village probably won't be able to centralize power on their own. Half the most powerful clan in the Mist would be absolutely gleeful with the state of constant warfare (Karatachi, Yagura), and the remaining two (Yuki, Hōzuki) won't be able to gather enough influence to establish themselves as ruler of the entire land of Mist in any short order.
They might be able to do it the long run after a long bloody war of subjugating and restraining all the other shinobi forces which will want to grab some power from the void created by the instantaneous destruction of a system that had lasted for almost a century or more.
The Main issue with slaying the Feudal Lord and usurping power, is that the Mist will inevitable tumble into a state of internal discord, that the Four Noble Clan of the Mist put together would still lack the strength to suppress.
Civil Wars are frequent when the Mist is a United nation, they'll be far more common not that the strongest military force in the village is turning rogue.
The other shinobi forces won't just sit back and allow the Mist village to centralize power, and a prolonged period of strife will cover the entire nation -or what's left of it.
While the conflict is ongoing, people won't readily migrate to the Mist, unless it's the Armies of Kumo, or Iwa because they'd certainly take advantage of a civil war like that.
Getting to the point where it's a new nation that's reforging itself stronger than ever will assume they even last through the flames of strife, and honestly, the odds are against them.
Civil Wars are frequent when the Mist is a United nation, they'll be far more common not that the strongest military force in the village is turning rogue.
The other shinobi forces won't just sit back and allow the Mist village to centralize power, and a prolonged period of strife will cover the entire nation -or what's left of it.
While the conflict is ongoing, people won't readily migrate to the Mist, unless it's the Armies of Kumo, or Iwa because they'd certainly take advantage of a civil war like that.
Getting to the point where it's a new nation that's reforging itself stronger than ever will assume they even last through the flames of strife, and honestly, the odds are against them.
Shen: King of Digimon
Previously Shen: King of the Mist
There’s a lot of assumptions here.
For 1: they have the biggest food market of all the lands, rivaled only by the leaf. As they are connected to the sea and have a the most plentiful seafood market than every nation combined. They will not have a starving problem, let alone herbs and plants.
There’s a reason why they haven’t overthrown already. Unification would have to come first before expansion, they won’t happen altogether. And if Kai or Jin are the leaders of this said force, unification will be much easier.
Along with that point, if they were in charge, they would lay the crack down on crime and much else, expanding the hunter nin corps and even establishing a new corps, featuring the Hozuki on the forefront. Ghosts in the village meant to play genjustu on candidates they assume have expressed rebellious behavior, to brainwash them has just in place
Think about when in solo
For 1: they have the biggest food market of all the lands, rivaled only by the leaf. As they are connected to the sea and have a the most plentiful seafood market than every nation combined. They will not have a starving problem, let alone herbs and plants.
There’s a reason why they haven’t overthrown already. Unification would have to come first before expansion, they won’t happen altogether. And if Kai or Jin are the leaders of this said force, unification will be much easier.
Along with that point, if they were in charge, they would lay the crack down on crime and much else, expanding the hunter nin corps and even establishing a new corps, featuring the Hozuki on the forefront. Ghosts in the village meant to play genjustu on candidates they assume have expressed rebellious behavior, to brainwash them has just in place
Think about when in solo
when Dryden voss died, and the main woman took over his place. Something like that
SageNeb
Previously 5DigitNeb
There’s no civil war, the other people are already dead. Plus there’s always fishing. Also, I don’t need much land. Put a hotel where you can see the ocean and you’re making bank. If there’s any reason you’re unsafe, there’s always mercenaries and you can put missions for the mist village which you bought this land of from in the first place, they can easily conquer the land with their large army compared to everyone else in the mist. Heck maybe you can get a bundle deal with King Kai for security on your property