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Private/Closed PokéSync: Discussion Thread
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But it can't exacly be sunny and heavy rain, right?
Also, when it comes to abilities like Snow rush? If its during hail (condition) its automaticly turned on and starts taking energy to keep it?
Also, when it comes to abilities like Snow rush? If its during hail (condition) its automaticly turned on and starts taking energy to keep it?
I think some weather conditions are harder to combine. A hail storm would suggest clouds which would block the sun and prevent it from being sunny. If it's possible for there to be a hailstorm without clouds then we'd have to look into that.
We wouldn't track energy for ability usage, it would just only activate when the conditions are met.
I mean, could a character turn it off for a while when there would be need to save energy
A possible way to go is to develop more custom weather conditions and effects. For example snow is very reflective so harsh sunlight hitting fresh snow tends to cast a glare. I hear you can even get sunburn in that way because of how much light is reflecting.
So for a situation like that it could trigger a field effect like 'strong glare' which would lower the accuracy of pokemon on the field.
Can protect be spammed five times in a row or will it be like in the games where there is a high chance it fails if used immediately after the previous one?
There'd be no more need to save energy since it wouldn't cost any?
However, no, you wouldn't be able to choose to fully turn off an ability. It might not be operating at full effect, but it'd be active in some capacity.
No, you can spam protect and detect as much as you want.
Bruh, of course it'll be limited lol
That blushing emoji is a lie!!No, you can spam protect and detect as much as you want.
Bruh, of course it'll be limited lol
Like a cake
I was just wondering since protect was brought up as a way to counter certain moves with high pp cost. It would've sucked if someone could just spam protect to defend against those attacks until they run out of pp lelNo, you can spam protect and detect as much as you want.
Bruh, of course it'll be limited lol
This could also arguably buff certain moves, such as flash. Which, under those conditions, may lower accuracy by 2 stages instead of one. Really just depends on how creative we get.
So with this new system, we can use abilities without worrying about the energy cost?
Well, tbf since protect and detect are different moves, if a pokemon has both of them then...yea, they kinda could >~>
Cause you'd only have 2 pp for a move like Fire Blast.
Of course, there's a debate to be had over how that could or should be handled. There are...a few moves that go through protect/detect after all.
Correct. But some abilities wouldn't be spammable or triggered whenever you like. They'd have to meet a condition. For example, a pokemon with harvest couldn't just repeatedly harvest Sitrus berries in battle unless sunny day was up.
Should just have it where detect can't be guaranteed right after protect. Give it the same chances as a consecutive protect.
Possibly, but I want to look into moves that bypass protect/detect. The only one I can think of rn is feint, but if there are enough moves like that then it might be aight.
So what about wonder guard?
Now its clean curiosity
Now its clean curiosity
Wonder Guard would work as usual, you'd need a super effective move to bypass it. That shouldn't be terribly hard given you have no move limit and the only pokemon with wonder Guard has...4 weaknesses, and wonder guard doesn't protect against status moves, chip damage, etc.
I mean Wonder Guard is different, you have to hit it with super effective moves only or chip damage, from weather, poison, burn, etc... It's not exactly a protect and the one Pokemon that has it, only has 1 hp, so not much to worry about there.
Also spamming Protect and Detect is fine to me, you get like four in total? While your enemy can have multiple heavy attacks which stock up to a total of more than four in the end
Also spamming Protect and Detect is fine to me, you get like four in total? While your enemy can have multiple heavy attacks which stock up to a total of more than four in the end
Feint, future sight, and phantom force are the only damaging moves that can bypass protection moves besides D-Max, G-Max, Z Moves, and signature moves from mythicals and legendaries.
We get 5 each actually since they both have 10 pp. Meanwhile, heavy moves only have like 2 each.
I checked and Protect, Detect, Endure, Obstruct, Spikey Shield etc. All those moves contribute to the successive failure of another move of that kind, so we'll just keep that as is.
Yea, but I don't think that scales well later on, and I don't want to allow too much 'brute forcing your way through negative effects', or otherwise selectively activating effects only when it benefits you.
I think it plays into self-balancing, because once you know what effects an ability has and it has to take effect then both the trainer and their opponent will have to work with those limitations. Either to make the best use of such effects or try to use the effects of their opponent's abilities to their advantage.
Then I would just say make it so negative abilities are forced to activate and leave normal ones the same as before. I like the system we had at I don’t think it really makes sense to change it.
The only other way would be making them passive and having them always active for everyone, which throws a wrench into things because I think in rp the applications would be different from an in game battle. I think it’s far more logical that a Pokémon could activate intimidate multiple times throughout a battle vs them only being scary to the first Pokémon they’re up against. Also the weather and terrain inducing abilities creating weather conditions just feels like something you’d choose to activate
While it might be sensible it skews the balance, certain abilities would simply still need to be restricted. As Hec pointed out you could Intimidate a physical attacker into a non-threat with repeated intimidates.
There would have to be some sort of control in place.
Oh gosh, imagine endless Download 
I thought we had agreed intimidate could lower one attack stat per Pokémon. It can’t intimidate you more than the first time
Correct, and likewise many other abilities would need to be restricted for balance.
Can Weather change anility still be used outside battles?
Also if I'm correct about the math of repeating moves like Protect more than once, the second time gives it a 1/3 chance to fail and then the next time is 2/3 and the fourth time is a guaranteed fail.
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League Announcement: Energy, Health, and the Defensive Matrix
Alright, since there's quite a bit of confusion on this topic, let me provide an explanation.Forget about Pokemon for a moment. Let's paint a picture.
Imagine a warrior wearing a set of full plate armor and welding a heavy weapon. Simple enough, yes?
Now, his opponent is another warrior with the same equipment: A full set of armor and a heavy weapon.
These two warriors engage in combat, but it's meant to be friendly, so they're going to try to avoid maiming/killing each other.
To achieve this, the warriors trade blows until either: A) one warrior's armor is hit enough times that it's defensive abilities are compromised or severely damaged, such that any further fighting will result in harm or injury to the warrior's body; B) one of the warriors runs out of stamina, the weapons they're swinging around are quite heavy and they don't have endless strength/stamina to fight for 10 hours straight.
These win conditions are separate from each other, meaning they can occur independently.
Now, let's make some parallels.
The two warriors are Pokemon.
The suit of armor is their defensive matrix/defensive energy.
The heavy weapons are their moves.
The stamina is their energy.
An official league match is considered a friendly spar where you're NOT trying to kill/maim your opponent.
So in an Official League Match, Pokemon can continue to fight until either: A) they are hit with enough moves to deplete their defensive matrix, at that point they'd be considered 'Fainted', not because they're unconscious, but because any further attacks will start doing permanent damage to the Pokemon's body; B) they run out of energy or PP and can no longer utilize moves to deal damage.
This distinction is made because when you're in the wild, when you're exploring ruins, when you're in the middle of a rabid pokemon horde, when you're fighting villains, there's absolutely no guarantee your opponent will stop after your Pokemon's energy is exhausted. In fact, you should straight up assume that your enemy's goal is to try to kill/main you and your pokemon.
Remember, pokemon are creatures who can level mountain and punch through steel plates. In a 'realistic setting', this is what happens when Pokemon fight:
and sorry fam, but Nurse Joy isn't healing that.
These are the risks you assume whenever you, as a trainer, decide to go out in the wild and try to 'push your limits'. Wild Pokemon can be very strong, stronger than you in some cases, and death/maiming of your OC or your Pokemon is entirely possible. Make no mistake, the likes of ruins and even certain events possess danger that can take your life. I don't discourage flirting with death though, just remember you do so at your own risk.
Your defensive energy is that suit of armor, it keeps the stakes in a battle to just the outcome of the battle and possible prestige and rewards from winning. In most desperate situations, when your defensive energy is exhausted, choosing to fight means being willing to bite the bullet and decide which limb you want to lose when your opponent lands a 'Slash' attack.
But anyways, Have fun exploring~
@Hecotoro
@=Nightshade=
@Mango137
@DarkHydraT
@Retro Master
@Clite of Dragonbow
@RenzFlintrock
@ThePlayfulFox
@silverwind2020
@Pinch
@Alternate_Mystery
@sSoul
@Godjacob
@Tortles
@Grand Master Koop
@MegaAbsol
@kyuukestu
@Foxex
@YoKaiKingEnmaDaiyou
@JadeStar
@ThAtGuY101
@Malcolm102
@OmnipotentOnion
@Chiphead_
Well, I'll make another announcement on it once we've come to some kind of conclusion on how abilities work.
In gen 8 the chance of protect or any such move succeeded is divided by three after each successful use.
First - 100%
Second - 33%
Third - 11%
Fourth - 3.6%
Fifth - 1.2%
so on and so forth.
So the chances of consecutive success can go on for much longer.
League Announcement: Energy, Health, and the Defensive Matrix
Alright, since there's quite a bit of confusion on this topic, let me provide an explanation.
Forget about Pokemon for a moment. Let's paint a picture.
Imagine a warrior wearing a set of full plate armor and welding a heavy weapon. Simple enough, yes?
Now, his opponent is another warrior with the same equipment: A full set of armor and a heavy weapon.
These two warriors engage in combat, but it's meant to be friendly, so they're going to try to avoid maiming/killing each other.
To achieve this, the warriors trade blows until either: A) one warrior's armor is hit enough times that it's defensive abilities are compromised or severely damaged, such that any further fighting will result in harm or injury to the warrior's body; B) one of the warriors runs out of stamina, the weapons they're swinging around are quite heavy and they don't have endless strength/stamina to fight for 10 hours straight.
These win conditions are separate from each other, meaning they can occur independently.
Now, let's make some parallels.
The two warriors are Pokemon.
The suit of armor is their defensive matrix/defensive energy.
The heavy weapons are their moves.
The stamina is their energy.
An official league match is considered a friendly spar where you're NOT trying to kill/maim your opponent.
So in an Official League Match, Pokemon can continue to fight until either: A) they are hit with enough moves to deplete their defensive matrix, at that point they'd be considered 'Fainted', not because they're unconscious, but because any further attacks will start doing permanent damage to the Pokemon's body; B) they run out of energy or PP and can no longer utilize moves to deal damage.
This distinction is made because when you're in the wild, when you're exploring ruins, when you're in the middle of a rabid pokemon horde, when you're fighting villains, there's absolutely no guarantee your opponent will stop after your Pokemon's energy is exhausted. In fact, you should straight up assume that your enemy's goal is to try to kill/main you and your pokemon.
Remember, pokemon are creatures who can level mountain and punch through steel plates. In a 'realistic setting', this is what happens when Pokemon fight:
and sorry fam, but Nurse Joy isn't healing that.
These are the risks you assume whenever you, as a trainer, decide to go out in the wild and try to 'push your limits'. Wild Pokemon can be very strong, stronger than you in some cases, and death/maiming of your OC or your Pokemon is entirely possible. Make no mistake, the likes of ruins and even certain events possess danger that can take your life. I don't discourage flirting with death though, just remember you do so at your own risk.
Your defensive energy is that suit of armor, it keeps the stakes in a battle to just the outcome of the battle and possible prestige and rewards from winning. In most desperate situations, when your defensive energy is exhausted, choosing to fight means being willing to bite the bullet and decide which limb you want to lose when your opponent lands a 'Slash' attack.
But anyways, Have fun exploring~
@Hecotoro
@=Nightshade=
@Mango137
@DarkHydraT
@Retro Master
@Clite of Dragonbow
@RenzFlintrock
@ThePlayfulFox
@silverwind2020
@Pinch
@Alternate_Mystery
@sSoul
@Godjacob
@Tortles
@Grand Master Koop
@MegaAbsol
@kyuukestu
@Foxex
@YoKaiKingEnmaDaiyou
@JadeStar
@ThAtGuY101
@Malcolm102
@OmnipotentOnion
@Chiphead_
A lot of questions and opinion asking actually.
If PP increasing items were to be added, what would be some good restrictions for them? How difficult do you think it should be to obtain such an item?
@Hecotoro
@=Nightshade=
@Mango137
@DarkHydraT
@Retro Master
@Clite of Dragonbow
@RenzFlintrock
@ThePlayfulFox
@silverwind2020
@Pinch
@Alternate_Mystery
@sSoul
@Godjacob
@Tortles
@Grand Master Koop
@MegaAbsol
@kyuukestu
@Foxex
@YoKaiKingEnmaDaiyou
@JadeStar
@ThAtGuY101
@Malcolm102
@OmnipotentOnion
@Chiphead_
@=Nightshade=
@Mango137
@DarkHydraT
@Retro Master
@Clite of Dragonbow
@RenzFlintrock
@ThePlayfulFox
@silverwind2020
@Pinch
@Alternate_Mystery
@sSoul
@Godjacob
@Tortles
@Grand Master Koop
@MegaAbsol
@kyuukestu
@Foxex
@YoKaiKingEnmaDaiyou
@JadeStar
@ThAtGuY101
@Malcolm102
@OmnipotentOnion
@Chiphead_
Instead of the traditional PP increasing items, I think it’d be cool to link them to the trainers as they attempt to increase their fortitude/capacity for certain moves. I also think this could come naturally with using the moves frequently. If they work it out a ton and it becomes more natural it should be easier to use.