Shen: King of Digimon
Previously Shen: King of the Mist
I bet it would be at least possible to send reaver and Azumi inside to spy in broad daylight. Reaver can simply not talk, as nothing else would give away that he is male
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I bet it would be at least possible to send reaver and Azumi inside to spy in broad daylight. Reaver can simply not talk, as nothing else would give away that he is male
I refuse to undermine Nadeshiko like that. The fortress, being essentially a military outpost, is as far as outsiders go. The route to the village will be a highly guarded secret, and it shall be quite the obscure path.
Shen: King of Digimon
Previously Shen: King of the Mist
Hence the few month period to figure out how to get there. Is that the only gripe?
They would never figure out how to get there, and assuming they managed to stumble along the path they would've been killed by the kunoichi of the village.
The village will likely be located in a naturally occurring dead-zone, with a few scattered safe paths. Without prior knowledge of these paths death is almost inevitable, and paths are what'll be kept secret.
Shen: King of Digimon
Previously Shen: King of the Mist
...? That’s way too much. At that point it just get dubious. They aren’t incompetent, they can find a path. And after months of gathering information and pooling resciurces for their target, I’m sure they would find the neccisary information to get there.
The paths are guarded secrets;
1) they have no way of gathering information on the paths, as no Nadeshiko kunoichi would tell them.
2) they wouldn't even be looking for the path, as they don't know of it's existence.
Shen: King of Digimon
Previously Shen: King of the Mist
Is basic knowledge for a ninja to know a way to their destination. That would be their prime target to know. You’d think the mist or any neighbors of nadeshiko/even people exiled or thrown out by them could give them the run down. Or hire a sensory ninja or a mapper. It’s really not that difficult when given a few month period
The basic idea will be that the village will be hidden on a volcanic island, within a cauldera.
The island will be dotted with Fumaroles which release volcanic had that shrouds the island.
Due to geothermal heating the cauldera Nadeshiko is in will heat enough air to produce an up draft capable of keeping the volcanic gas off the village.
The only way into the village will be through cenotes, or subterranean water ways. Due to the complexity of such naturally occurring water ways, it'll be rather easy to get lost within them or end up somewhere else entirely.
Although there are water ways on the volcanic island those have long been contaminated by the volcanic debris and are thus toxic.
A safe path would be located off the island and will follow a stretch of water perhaps a mile or so long that'll lead you the island where you can surface and find your way to the village. Naturally there'll be caves that contain air pockets for breathing and stuff.
But those paths and the existence of the village are secrets. Nadeshiko revolves around the Fortess like outposts.
The island will be dotted with Fumaroles which release volcanic had that shrouds the island.
Due to geothermal heating the cauldera Nadeshiko is in will heat enough air to produce an up draft capable of keeping the volcanic gas off the village.
The only way into the village will be through cenotes, or subterranean water ways. Due to the complexity of such naturally occurring water ways, it'll be rather easy to get lost within them or end up somewhere else entirely.
Although there are water ways on the volcanic island those have long been contaminated by the volcanic debris and are thus toxic.
A safe path would be located off the island and will follow a stretch of water perhaps a mile or so long that'll lead you the island where you can surface and find your way to the village. Naturally there'll be caves that contain air pockets for breathing and stuff.
But those paths and the existence of the village are secrets. Nadeshiko revolves around the Fortess like outposts.
Shen: King of Digimon
Previously Shen: King of the Mist
Most of that doesn’t affect reaver though. Not only does he have drills, but he is weighted, so water, nor an updraft can get him away so easily. He also has a gas mask along with a glass/metal casing over his head, making it an EV suit, capable of even being under water and breathing.
What exactly is the obstacle here?
What exactly is the obstacle here?
The obstacle is the neither he not Azumi knows the location of the village. And he has zero reason to somehow manage to stumble his way onto a barren volcanic island, and further manage to stumble into the cauldera that hosts Nadeshiko, should be manage to still do all that Nadeshiko Shinobi will attack.
Zander’s back?! I’ve been hoping for his return for awhile now! 
The basis of this is that Nadeshiko's 'point of contact' with the outside world is the fortress, and their hidden enclave of women (A scant few, perhaps only 108 of them compose the entire population of the village) is a secluded death trap with naturally secured entrances and exits.
Few people should have any reason to be lingering around an island filled with toxic fumes, and fewer still should manage to stumble their way into Nadeshiko.
Those very luck few shall behold the beauty of an all-female paradise before meeting their demise at the hands of said females.
Detection of threats will be handled in a way similar to Amegakure's and the only way to even approach the village unnoticed will be through the water tunnels. The tunnel are long and diverge in many pathways, so just happening to pick the tunnel leading to Nadeshiko is highly unlikely.
Emergence from said tunnel, should you be so ungodly lucky as to waltz straight through the myriad of tunnels for miles unharmed, would result in said person being smack in the middle of Nadeshiko where they will again meet their demise.
As a barren island lacking in resources and habitable space the ninja villages have no reason to send organized scouting parties that stand a chance of mapping thier way to Nadeshiko without heavy casualties from the environment.
But without even mentioning those obstacles the existence of the Nadeshiko isn't a widely known fact, and I'm talking about the village itself and not just it's location. Few people would even recognize it's headband since it's a very minor village of very small scale.
The whole purpose of the Fortess, which is in and of itself not somewhere people frequent, is to mask the existence of the real village. Anyone in contact with Nadeshiko will believe the fortress is the village because the Nadeshiko villagers treat it as such and would never admit to otherwise.
With no reason for anyone to be snooping around the real location of the village (Which only houses less than 100 people at any time due to the nomadic traditions of its inhabitants), and the fact that most people who accidentally snoop end up dying via environmental affliction or an assault from the villages residents- Azumi and Reaver somehow gathering enough information to find the village is nigh impossible.
TL;DR The village doesn't exist as far as anyone not a member of the village is concerned. Anyone who just so happened to discover it would be promptly killed to ensure its secrecy.
Few people should have any reason to be lingering around an island filled with toxic fumes, and fewer still should manage to stumble their way into Nadeshiko.
Those very luck few shall behold the beauty of an all-female paradise before meeting their demise at the hands of said females.
Detection of threats will be handled in a way similar to Amegakure's and the only way to even approach the village unnoticed will be through the water tunnels. The tunnel are long and diverge in many pathways, so just happening to pick the tunnel leading to Nadeshiko is highly unlikely.
Emergence from said tunnel, should you be so ungodly lucky as to waltz straight through the myriad of tunnels for miles unharmed, would result in said person being smack in the middle of Nadeshiko where they will again meet their demise.
As a barren island lacking in resources and habitable space the ninja villages have no reason to send organized scouting parties that stand a chance of mapping thier way to Nadeshiko without heavy casualties from the environment.
But without even mentioning those obstacles the existence of the Nadeshiko isn't a widely known fact, and I'm talking about the village itself and not just it's location. Few people would even recognize it's headband since it's a very minor village of very small scale.
The whole purpose of the Fortess, which is in and of itself not somewhere people frequent, is to mask the existence of the real village. Anyone in contact with Nadeshiko will believe the fortress is the village because the Nadeshiko villagers treat it as such and would never admit to otherwise.
With no reason for anyone to be snooping around the real location of the village (Which only houses less than 100 people at any time due to the nomadic traditions of its inhabitants), and the fact that most people who accidentally snoop end up dying via environmental affliction or an assault from the villages residents- Azumi and Reaver somehow gathering enough information to find the village is nigh impossible.
TL;DR The village doesn't exist as far as anyone not a member of the village is concerned. Anyone who just so happened to discover it would be promptly killed to ensure its secrecy.
I get your overall points....though it should be noted Naruto found it kinda easily himself. On accident, if I recall correctly. And he didn't die when he discovered it (Ended up beating their strongest kunoichi in the marriage battle thingy.)
He never found Nadeshiko, they had left the village and were looking for him. And considering Naruto had just defeated Pain he was at minimum Kage level.
Probably right, I need to rewatch the arc.
Not in base form. He didn't even try against Shizuka (Which if they are reflections of Jiraiya and the previous village head...doesn't paint the best picture for her people.)
.....and he only beat Pain cause of Hinata. And intel from the village, and Pain being handicapped by just using a justu destroying village keeping his main body out of the fight at first.
Pain is above Kage level, base Naruto certainly would've been able to hold his own against a Kage.
Base Naruto was holding his own against other members of the Akatsuki prior to Senju training, so no diff-ing Shizuka, who's Jonin level at best, was expected.
We never see base Naruto do anything of significance to that point. Saying he is Kage tier in base is a giant exaggeration. He got a technical victory against Pain with a ton of support (Including the damn full fox) and giving it 110% while Pain held back from killing him and just finished flattening a village causing some fatigue/charge time.
Shizuka comes off as mid-to high tier Chunin at best more than anything. Given just how easily Naruto dealt with her. So at best, the previous village head in canon is either a extreme exception to the strength of the village or Jiraiya put in just as little effort himself in their battle.
sSoul
Previously Swirled
I dunno, should fit her battle style though, so yeah.
I can understand that, but I really can't make a suggestion unless I know what the technique is. I'm not as good as say, Shen or kyuu would be in picking something off that alone.
Base Naruto killed Kakuzu, and has give up against numerous filler type characters stated to be comparable to Jonin.
Either way, the strength of the village in Canon will not reflect is ability in AU. Should the village be discovered they will do their best to kill any and all intruders regardless of their origin.
Should the village be outclassed they will fight to the death, and their final task will be to deliver the message of their demise to their travelling sisters, who will then be hell bent on vengeance.
Rankings don't mean much. Ask the ANBU, and he used Rasenshiruken in that fight which (At the time) was hyped as a certain crippling technique. Plus Kakuzu lost multiple hearts before Naruto showed up and really that fight was filled with PIS IMO. Shizuka lost to shadow clones alone, putting her close to the same tier as freakin Mizuki.
Fair enough, just wondering what the best method to have Azumi stumble upon them is. And it seems Reaver will kinda be unable to do anything in the arc.
The fortress? I presume this was part of the previous multi-page discussion I missed out on.
Shen: King of Digimon
Previously Shen: King of the Mist
Okay I’m back. Ahem
Naruto stumbled in there. Alone. You think that Azumi and reaver together couldn’t make it through without dying or being significantly hampered?
Likes said, they spend a few months analyzing possible defenses, routes, and going to contacts for as much information as possible. They aren’t just going to ‘stumble’ into it. They have a mission and goal in mind
Naruto stumbled in there. Alone. You think that Azumi and reaver together couldn’t make it through without dying or being significantly hampered?
Likes said, they spend a few months analyzing possible defenses, routes, and going to contacts for as much information as possible. They aren’t just going to ‘stumble’ into it. They have a mission and goal in mind
Naruto has never stumbled into there.
The village was never even shown in the anime apart from a flashback with Jiraiya.
What happened was Shizuka and her assistant were already out of the village and happened to spot Naruto, they proceeded to ask him about Jiraiya because of the whole Your disciple should marry mine thing between Jiraiya and Nadeshiko's former leader.
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And again no they wouldn't make it. The fortress is Nadeshiko village in canon, they can discover that, it's no big secret, Sagiso would've told Azumi about it's location.
What they can't stumble upon is the hidden enclave, since they have no reason to do so, as far as they, and anyone else should be concerned the Fortress is Nadeshiko, and I'd like to keep it that way.
There is no information to be gathered about it and there is no analyzing to be done unless Reaver's gonna spend a couple weeks mapping out miles and miles of underground tunnels for shits and giggles.
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This part is not Canon and is Purely an AU change I'm making since I'm compromising.
The village has a home, and they want to keep it hidden, hence they'd created the fortress to act as an Outpost, through this fortress they can deal with the outside world while keeping their real home a secret.
My point of contention is that Azumi and Reaver aren't going to stumble their way into the greatest secret in the entire village, and they wouldn't analyze any defensive measures because no on except Nadeshiko Shinobi knows that the fortress is just a smokescreen.
They'll make contact with Nadeshiko, the Fortress, find out Baiyan's general location and then leave. They accomplish their mission, and I get to keep outsiders out of my hidden village. Why you insist on them barging their way through a secluded death trap I created to prevent just that- people barging into it- is beyond me.
They have no reason to be scouting out the true location of Nadeshiko because there's nothing that would lead them to believe that there's another location that houses members of Nadeshiko village.
Hence because the character are not aware of what we as the Rpers are, for them to enter the village they'd have to have somehow managed to stumble past my natural deathtrap.
In which case that'd be plot-induced luck and I will respond by trying to murder them both.
Hence because the character are not aware of what we as the Rpers are, for them to enter the village they'd have to have somehow managed to stumble past my natural deathtrap.
In which case that'd be plot-induced luck and I will respond by trying to murder them both.
Shen: King of Digimon
Previously Shen: King of the Mist
Gonna stop you right there. Thee are always loose ends, even the Akatsuki had people effectively spying on them. Same as every village in canon. I refuse to believe the nadeshiko cannot be spyed on. It HAS been spyed on, it’s a mater of finding those spys, informants, or defectors.
I’ve been talking about going into the fortress this entire time.
It can be spied on but no one has a reason to spy on it.
With a scant 100 members, and the vast majority of them stationed in either the fortress or on a nomadic trip the village is essentially a tribe of mere 10s with 0 contact to the outside world.
To even discover Nadeshiko would require a shit ton of luck, so there's no reason for anyone to do it.
It would be akin to me deciding for no reason that the Mist is keeping secrets and I'm not going to look for these secrets.
Since neither I, or more specifically, my characters would have any knowledge about the existence of these 'secrets', them going out with a systematic approach to discover them is illogical.
Hence the only way to find them would be to stumble upon them.
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The Akatsuki was infiltrated, and that certainly was practically planned by Obito.
Given that the Akatsuki were a group of 100 people in one of the most remote corners of the world who try to avoid contact with others, Why would there be anyone spying on them?
The only plausible way of them being discovered is through traitors and defectors, but even then no one gets up and decides to betray their village for no reason. With that in mind, a traitor or defector must be induced in one of the Kunoichi and parties with the clout to do such inducing wouldn't be interested in the village in the first place.
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And I'm not talking about the fortress, them finding the fortress is perfectly fine.
Shen: King of Digimon
Previously Shen: King of the Mist
Orochimaru? Kabuto? Itachi? (Maybe Itachi was planned). All of these?
They also find husbands and other males of the like, and since they don’t keep males in there village and I doubt they’d execute them after marriage or mating would banish them or something similar. Not to mention just pure spies or even Orochimaru himself. I doubt doubt Orochimaru knows their secrets already, seeing as he already figured out every Akatsuki member’s secrets for the first part without being a part of them (until he was)
Shen: King of Digimon
Previously Shen: King of the Mist
Orochimaru could. His curiosity is impossible to satisfy. Not to mention he can literally trade faces with people to disguise. It wouldn’t be hard for him to infiltrate
Itachi was planned.
Orochimaru straight up joined them then decided to leave after he tried and failed to steal Itachi's body.
Kabuto was under Orochimaru, but then again Orochimaru was in the Akatsuki.
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The Men have their own subsidiary village, should they so desire to do that, but considering that most Ninja who would end up marrying a Nadeshiko Kunoichi would be members of another ninja village, they probably wouldn't defect from their own villages. Considering the nadeshiko style also doesn't factor love into the equation, the 'marriages' aren't even likely to last.
It's a tradition simply born of the need to have children, and for the most part it does just that.
But he again has 0 reason to.
He could infiltrate the fortress, but why would he? To look at girls?
Shen: King of Digimon
Previously Shen: King of the Mist
Like I said. Even before he entered the Akatsuki, Orochimaru figures out most of their secrets. He simply thought that after joining them he’d uncover the rest faster. And Kabuto was a double agent for them, and has infiltrated every other first world village there is too. You are underestimating Kabuto as a spy.
He has all the reason. The ‘girls’ aren’t the only thing there. It’s a melting pot of techniques and Justus, and he’d only needed to go there once in order to dissect and steal their secrets to claim for himself. Seeing as Azumi has a link with Orochimaru, she could barter for the secrets to get there. Orochimaru would be the key
Melting pot of techniques and jutsu :T That's quite the description for a minor village of nary a hundred people.
Except Nadeshiko has no renown secrets or techniques that would merit the effort.
However great the spy, they'd need to be spying on something worthwhile, which Nadeshiko doesn't have. As a minor village (barely even large enough to be called a village) it's far too much of a stretch to say Orochinaru would be interested in 'stealing their secrets'.
It's still a point of non-interest.
Except Nadeshiko has no renown secrets or techniques that would merit the effort.
However great the spy, they'd need to be spying on something worthwhile, which Nadeshiko doesn't have. As a minor village (barely even large enough to be called a village) it's far too much of a stretch to say Orochinaru would be interested in 'stealing their secrets'.
It's still a point of non-interest.
The only thing of even remote interest to Orochinaru would be Nadeshiko Style, and acquiring that doesn't require him discovering their residential village.
And considering he doesn't hasn't even bothered to gather the Hiden of the major villages, I see no reason why he'd suddenly be after Nadeshiko's.
And considering he doesn't hasn't even bothered to gather the Hiden of the major villages, I see no reason why he'd suddenly be after Nadeshiko's.
Shen: King of Digimon
Previously Shen: King of the Mist
He’s been after many. Including the hidden grass village, which was backwater and mostly worthless. He goes after as much as he can grasp I’m his scaley hands. And he doesn’t know what we know, so he would try and see what there was in there, seeing as they made a fortress and tried to be as hard to find as possible. You can admit that would peak someone’s interest
Nai, the remnants of the Uzumaki clan were in Kusagakure, that's where he picked up Karin.
He wouldn't look at Nadeshiko's fortress and suddenly decide that he wants to know all their secrets, because the secrets they have wouldn't be high enough on his priority list.
If he was researching like that then he'd also go infiltrate the temple of the Ninja monks techniques, Takigakure's Hero water, or any number of famous influential Hiden or Kekkei genkai scattered across the ninja world.
Again, there simply isn't anything in Nadeshiko to peak anyone's interest above any other secrets in the ninja world.
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